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最近淫審聖經不成,鬧得沸沸揚揚,外間有不少不明真相的人仕誤解了聖經,以為聖經不准人獸交,好似很專制的樣子,事實並非如此,我覺得我應該站出來說句公道話。

舊約時代,聖經是不容許人獸交的:
出22:19        凡與獸淫合的、總要把他治死。
利18:23        不可與獸淫合、玷污自己.女人也不可站在獸前、與他淫合、這本是逆性的事。
利20:15        人若與獸淫合、總要治死他、也要殺那獸。
利20:16        女人若與獸親近、與他淫合、你要殺那女人和那獸、總要把他們治死、罪要歸到他們身上。
申27:21        與獸淫合的、必受咒詛.百姓都要說、阿們。

但只限於舊約時代,隨著新約時代開始:
路16:16        律法和先知、到約翰為止.從此神國的福音傳開了、人人努力要進去。

律法再沒有效用了。例如,舊約時代業主沽售不動產,是有權在一年內贖回的:
利25:29        人若賣城內的住宅、賣了以後、一年之內可以贖回.在一整年、必有贖回的權柄。

但現今不管那一個旁支,絕無一個教徒履行上述法例。因此,禁止人獸交亦跟回購權一樣,是沒有效力的。聖經是容許各位進行人獸交的,比以前連隻無辜的獸亦要人道毀滅,聖經是文雅兼文明的,是人類文化的一部份。請大家不要再誤會了
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #2 Step.King 的帖子

冇錯,很高興古巨基雖然個名衰,有個「基」字,但他也明白此理:

事實是,聖經原先不贊成人獸交,但後來取消了不贊成人獸交
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #4 Step.King 的帖子

係呀,但佢衰在有個基字冇個督字嘛
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
原帖由 Step.King 於 2007-6-6 07:26 發表
但佢係"巨基"WOR
你咁都唔比下面....
但弊在姓古。古時係巨基,今日風光不再
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
原帖由 Guest from 202.64.36.x 於 2007-6-7 02:01 發表
我怕有人真的相信他,這可不得了.雖憑我一己之力也做不了什麼,但也盡點棉力罷.
您要盡點棉力令冇人信我,原也不難。

成全律法啦 -- 利25:29 人若賣城內的住宅、賣了以後、一年之內可以贖回.在一整年、必有贖回的權柄。

此後您買屋給予沽家一年回購權。我馬上收皮

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Paul少乜咁講呀,今次我新、舊約壁壘分明,絕無混淆喎。難道沙文不值得瀝明為其詳解經文,引向真道,反而要唔理佢咩?我只是
無意中觸及貴教的大忌:"舊約律法新約不用守"這問題,而已,不是故意的呀。如有得罪,或這問題是教義禁止發問的,謹此致歉。



[ 本帖最後由 沙文 於 2007-6-7 03:32 編輯 ]
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #18 的帖子

既然 Lev25:29是為一賜樂業人業權搞出來的法例,則出22:19, 利18:23, 利20:15, 利20:16,申27:21 也是為壓抑一賜樂業人性取向而立的條例。
作為呢碌徒的您們只關注神所為您們預備永恆的國度就夠了,不應或無須太顧念是否與獸淫合,有的話可要好好運用享受,但失去了也不應感到太難過,出、申、利三本律法書都唔關您事。反正與獸淫合是暫時的、將來在天國連老婆都冇是永遠的。

[ 本帖最後由 沙文 於 2007-6-7 19:53 編輯 ]
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與獸淫合只是對一賜樂業人來說才是犯罪,正如買樓不給業主一年回購權,對一賜樂業人來說才是犯罪,跟貴教何干呢?一方面信耶穌另一方面又與獸淫合豈有矛盾呀?所以一個基督徒既然可以不是顧念地上的金錢,名利,也就不應顧念與獸淫合了。
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #23 的帖子

我有了解經文啦,您又沒說出我解經錯在那裡,大家怎能明白呀?
既然"一知半解比全然不解還差",那就大家今後不要再解啦,誰能拍心口說自己一定是一知一解呀?您能的話,一定有人反對

佛佗是說他自己:「我」不入地獄,誰入地獄。只要答:「既然您入地獄,我就不用入了。」就行啦。若然您抓住釋迦牟尼說過一句"我不入地獄誰入地獄"就去到處傳揚佛教是叫人落地獄,那地獄有情得到救渡,也沒甚麼不好,為什麼您不這樣做呢?

一賜樂業乃是古代遷居中土的以色列人自己譯的,又由金世宗御筆題匾,我連他們的中譯名稱都尊重,可算不片面啦卦?

http://a2z.fhl.net/history/history16.html
http://www.keysoo.com/dict/C/%E4%B8%80%E8%B5%90%E4%B9%90%E4%B8%9A%E6%95%99.html
http://b5.ctestimony.org/0203/hysj.htm
http://www.people.com.cn/BIG5/paper39/2009/321946.html

[ 本帖最後由 沙文 於 2007-6-7 21:29 編輯 ]
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
呀,係嘞,在部份朋友無經文支持下宣稱聖經禁止新妁時代非一賜樂業裔人仕進行人獸交之際,我想請教一下,咁上述人仕在新約時代進行人獸口交又得唔得既呢?經文有冇指引呢?

[ 本帖最後由 沙文 於 2007-6-7 22:20 編輯 ]
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #28 的帖子

有dye兄在此,我那裡稱得上能言善辯呢?您只要話我知「新約時代律法既由移鼠大聖成全則無須在買樓時給予沽家一年回購權及與獸淫合不必被治死」此句解經錯在何處就得啦

我冇方法證明基督之不存在,如果有,您話我聽。即使咁樣祈禱冇回音,亦不能證明基督之不存在,至多只證明佢唔睬我啫

同佢講「為左妳,我心甘命抵乍帝信」。
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #32 dye 的帖子

咁新約時代不治死不代表不反對,咁治死代表乜呢?

Acts 5:1 有一個人、名叫亞拿尼亞、同他的妻子撒非喇、賣了田產。
把價銀私自留下幾分、他的妻子也知道、其餘的幾分、拿來放在使徒腳前。
彼得說、亞拿尼亞為甚麼撒但充滿了你的心、叫你欺哄聖靈、把田地的價銀私自留下幾分呢.
田地還沒有賣、不是你自己的麼.既賣了、價銀不是你作主麼.你怎麼心裡起這意念呢.你不是欺哄人、是欺哄神了。
亞拿尼亞聽見這話、就仆倒斷了氣.聽見的人都甚懼怕。
有些少年人起來、把他包裹抬出去埋葬了。
約過了三小時、他的妻子進來、還不知道這事。
彼得對他說、你告訴我、你們賣田地的價銀、就是這些麼。他說、就是這些。
彼得說、你們為甚麼同心試探主的靈呢.埋葬你丈夫之人的腳、已到門口、他們也要把你抬出去。
婦人立刻仆倒在彼得腳前、斷了氣.那些少年人進來、見他已經死了、就抬出去、埋在他丈夫旁邊。
全教會、和聽見這事的人、都甚懼怕。

如何體現「買樓時給予沽家一年回購權」的問題也沒有廢掉呢?倘若您今天將天上物業當期貨賣俾我,我唔俾一年回購權您得嗎?

「月經期間交歡」的問題又有沒有廢掉呢?移鼠大聖又用乜野代替當中的不潔淨呢?

Lev 18:19        女人行經不潔淨的時候、不可露他的下體、與他親近。.............
18:29        無論甚麼人、行了其中可憎的一件事、必從民中剪除。

新約時代,本來我「不指摘鄰舍」,是否要靠移鼠大聖改過後變番做「
總要指摘鄰舍」呢?

Lev19:17    不可心裡恨你的弟兄.總要指摘你的鄰舍、免得因他擔罪。


[ 本帖最後由 沙文 於 2007-6-8 01:37 編輯 ]
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
原帖由 Guest from 202.64.36.x 於 2007-6-8 01:52 發表
最後回答沙文的問題.「買樓時給予沽家一年回購權」要旨是在於神看重他分給信徒的產業.至於體現嗎﹖不會體現了,第一,我現在不能轉讓給你,因我還未得到.到將來見主的時候才得到.第二,舊約時候因人在經濟上需要幫助才不得巳地賣了自己的產業.至於將來就不會再有這樣的情況了.因為在永恆裡是沒有缺乏的.屬於自己的產業永遠屬於自己,不需要轉讓(這並不是廢掉,只是不需要而已).就是這樣.
喂,我話左係「期貨」啦,即係futures呢。您今生可能會有經濟困難呀,難道新約時代冇人會有經濟困難嗎?

[ 本帖最後由 沙文 於 2007-6-8 02:01 編輯 ]
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
唉,瀝明起先讚我有尋求真理的心原是好的.藉得欣賞。我開心了好一陣子,以為今均終於找到真理了,點知解解下又貴人事忙、廢Q事睬你,一陣又學問唔夠,我是多麼的失落呀。

其實我這個人還算是有耐性的,三天三夜都不能回答完都唔緊要,反正移鼠大聖在地裡都交唔足貨啦,您解30日30夜我都虛心聆聽,慢慢講都得呀,至多講完之前我不幸亡故,我唔怨您,怨自己命短咁好啦卦?人蠢就自然多野問,不能好似您咁一諗就明,您估我想既咩?

至於知識淺薄,亦有辨法解决,而且好簡單 -- 用行動!聖經冇話新約時代不准執行摩西律法卦?只要您買樓時給予沽家一年回購權,我就信服了,您唔駛答此問題了。咁樣易辦啦卦?OK啦卦?唔難為您啦卦?

而祈禱求證方面,我唔肯祈,但唔怕,貴教有「代禱」機制,您得閒咪幫我祈,叫移鼠大聖向我証明有佢咯。但証明左之後,我又變左唔信得 --因為已經「知道」了,咁點搞呀?

仲有,我又突然想到,神想解決一賜樂業人的經濟困難故定此例,但點解只限於城市物業的業主才可享有此權利呢?點解郊區物業的業主得不到神的眷顧咁奇茄?佢地衰啲架?

利25:29 人若賣內的住宅、賣了以後、一年之內可以贖回.在一整年、必有贖回的權柄。
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
原帖由 Guest from 202.64.36.x 於 2007-6-8 00:44 發表
以耶穌(不是移鼠)
啊,現在才看到。為何只可以是耶穌不可以是移鼠呢?
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #42 Step.King 的帖子

唔係卦?佢話對聖經一知半解是正常的,這句話甚至不能代表對聖經一知一解、半知半解、不知不解、不知半解、半知一解、一知不解、不知半解是正常的。咁點先係不正常呢?
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

回復 #44 Step.King 的帖子

呢個concept係您教我的嘛......
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details

Follow up 轉載

原來5年前尚有一些其他問題, 至今仍有待為阿占澄清

Why Can't I Own a Canadian?
October 2002

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim
http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2 ... Canadian_10-02.html
Don't know where God is but the Devil is in the details
取消左,即喺讚成啦。
hellboy 發表於 2009/12/13 04:48

嗱,您咁有興趣揾錯別字,「讚成」就係good example嘞
我俾足機會,但近年都再無教內人士發表反對人獸交的意見了,所以,我認為我們係時候作出進一步的探討。
所謂「君子之交淡如水」--《莊子‧山木》, 咁,人獸之交就濃如血啦。
冇錯,我發現人獸交的確係很純粹的行為,不但先天上無法同時人獸交而又亂倫,就算可以做到的人獸交同時又同性戀,都從未聽過有人咁樣做。
究竟點解呢?我們只可以肯定聖經有話男同性戀係唔得嘅,但女人同狗乸的同性戀有冇違反教義呢?
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