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作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/23 19:02 標題: 我回来了

我回来了，各位还好么？
呵呵，不知道还记得我么？
我就是前端时间的诉苦一轭的大陆游客兄
其实正确的说，我是一直来这里逛的
只是没有回贴而已
脑子太累了，不想考虑这么多问题而已
所以也不去想了
让脑子断路段时间再说
现在回来了。。
还是说下近况吧。。
我和我女友的事么，
还是老样子吧，就是一直的发发消息，聊天和说事情
见面还是没有见过。。。大家忙，有空的时候但是下雨
宗教问题现在已经不涉及了，大家都闭口不谈
呵呵，还算愉快吧，大家不进也不退，谁都不舍得谁也不敢向前跨
最近国内的事情么
大家都应该听说了吧
如果有问题的话也可以问下我啊，我知道的话会给大家答案的
再次谢谢大家
在我难过失落的时候帮助了我

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/23 19:33

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 19:02 發表
我回来了我回来了，各位还好么？
呵呵，不知道还记得我么？
我就是前端时间的诉苦一轭的大陆游客兄
其实正确的说，我是一直来这里逛的
只是没有回贴而已
脑子太累了，不想考虑这么多问题而已
所以也不去想了
让脑子断路段时间再说
现在回来了。。
还是说下近况吧。。
我和我女友的事么，
还是老样子吧，就是一直的发发消息，聊天和说事情
见面还是没有见过。。。大家忙，有空的时候但是下雨
宗教问题现在已经不涉及了，大家都闭口不谈
呵呵，还算愉快吧，大家不进也不退，谁都不舍得谁也不敢向前跨
最近国内的事情么
大家都应该听说了吧
如果有问题的话也可以问下我啊，我知道的话会给大家答案的
再次谢谢大家
在我难过失落的时候帮助了我

>>>>>>>>> 宗教问题现在已经不涉及了，大家都闭口不谈
妆聋扮哑 , 不了了之 , 'the best solution ,

,
which has also been being ad-opted////adOpted by the Christiannity ,

p.s. : :
if .....there b////be any difficulty for thee to decode my english ,
then .... please do not hesitate to let me get 'the idea

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-23 19:39 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/23 19:41

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 19:02 發表
我回来了，各位还好么？
呵呵，不知道还记得我么？
我就是前端时间的诉苦一轭的大陆游客兄
其实正确的说，我是一直来这里逛的
只是没有回贴而已
脑子太累了，不想考虑这么多问题而已
所以也不去想了
让脑子断路段时间再说
现在回 ...

>>>>>>>>> 让脑子断路段时间再说
o yes , agree , sit back////backs , and , relax ,
just relax ,
just like the rechargeable battery , no////n'o need to any hurry , any hurry ....

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/23 19:50

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 19:02 發表
我回来了，各位还好么？
呵呵，不知道还记得我么？
我就是前端时间的诉苦一轭的大陆游客兄
其实正确的说，我是一直来这里逛的
只是没有回贴而已
脑子太累了，不想考虑这么多问题而已
所以也不去想了
让脑子断路段时间再说
现在回 ...

>>>>>>>>> 如果有问题的话也可以问下我啊，我知道的话会给大家答案的

first ThANKs

您有没有什么朋友也是对基督教Christiannity 有抱怨 nae ???? cheers ThANK-ye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/23 19:52

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 19:02 發表
我回来了我回来了，各位还好么？
呵呵，不知道还记得我么？
我就是前端时间的诉苦一轭的大陆游客兄
其实正确的说，我是一直来这里逛的
只是没有回贴而已
脑子太累了，不想考虑这么多问题而已
所以也不去想了
让脑子断路段时间再说
现在回来了。。
还是说下近况吧。。
我和我女友的事么，
还是老样子吧，就是一直的发发消息，聊天和说事情
见面还是没有见过。。。大家忙，有空的时候但是下雨
宗教问题现在已经不涉及了，大家都闭口不谈
呵呵，还算愉快吧，大家不进也不退，谁都不舍得谁也不敢向前跨
最近国内的事情么
大家都应该听说了吧
如果有问题的话也可以问下我啊，我知道的话会给大家答案的
再次谢谢大家
在我难过失落的时候帮助了我
...

>>>>>>>>> 再次谢谢大家在我难过失落的时候帮助了我

you are welcome ,
u'r welcome , my pleasure

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/23 19:58

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 19:02 發表
我回来了，各位还好么？
呵呵，不知道还记得我么？
我就是前端时间的诉苦一轭的大陆游客兄
其实正确的说，我是一直来这里逛的
只是没有回贴而已
脑子太累了，不想考虑这么多问题而已
所以也不去想了
让脑子断路段时间再说
现在回 ...

>>>> 宗教问题现在已经不涉及了，大家都闭口不谈
>>>> 呵呵，还算愉快吧，大家不进也不退，谁都不舍得谁也不敢向前跨

very right ,
very quite , it's the most important to be 愉快 to both sides ,

, cheers ThANK ye

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/23 20:26 標題: 谢谢P兄啊

谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个是我前端时间发现的。。。
我紧张啊那时候。。。（因为我从我妹妹的电脑里看见了很多赞主的歌。。还有她床边发现了圣经。。)
后来我问我妹妹的，她说她不信这个，只是无聊了看看，她告诉我她妈妈也就是我阿姨信的。。。。啊。。。完全震惊啊，不管做了什么事，只要信死后就能进天堂。。。我说的就是我阿姨。哎。。。
我妹妹跟我说她是不信这个的，没这么空虚，我只能大概说了点什么，又不能逼的太紧，就不多说了，但是看她的本子上面写的赞美主的话和KEEP FAITH。。。我只能当做她是在练字而已。。
还有我最近做一个小孩子的家教，因为以前有点认识的么。他们家是信基督的，这个是没办法的，他们是福建沿海的人，有历史因素，父母和上代上上代都是信这个的，所以他也信，我最近在教他的时候一直有意无意的灌输无神论。。。
他说他考试考的好，是神在保佑他。我问他几句话以后，他才改了点口。。。说一部分自己努力一部分是神给的。。。。哎，这样的小孩不知道以后怎么办啊，学校的以后的哲学课和唯物主义观念他不知道能不能接受啊

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/24 01:54

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 20:26 發表
谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个 ...

>>>>>>>>> 我最近在教他的时候一直有意无意的灌输无神论。。。

first first class classic classiccal ThANKs ,

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/24 01:58

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 20:26 發表
谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个 ...

>>>>>>>>> 是福建沿海的人，有历史因素，父母和上代上上代都是信这个的，

what ?? 福建沿海的人 , not all upholding the strong belief in 天后 e.t.c. ??

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/24 01:59

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 20:26 發表
谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个 ...

>>>>>>>>> 我最近在教他的时候一直有意无意的灌输无神论。。。

more-over ,

, cheers ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/24 02:19

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 20:26 發表
谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个 ...

>>>>>>>>> 我紧张啊那时候
我更是10 分紧张啊

>>>>>>>>> 完全震惊啊
i 2 = me 2 = me too = i too

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the degree
in which the Christiannity 's been penetrating into the common people of our mother-land China ,
is just too much out of my any expectation + imagination

----------------------------------------------------------------

i'd like to suggest thee : ::::::::::
---------
refer them to here 離教者之家 exChristian.hk ,
---------
a easy starting point for them , would b : ::::: My Dear Sir 旁觀者 works ,
http://www.google.com.hk/search?complete=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.google%3Azh-CN%3Aofficial&as_q=%E6%97%81%E8%A7%80%E8%80%85&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=exchristian.hk&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off
-
My Dear Sir 旁觀者 's a/////////A specialist in specifying
what kind of drastic dramas////dramaes the Christiannity has done up on our motherland the China

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-24 02:30 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/24 02:29

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 20:26 發表
谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个 ...

i do dare to conclude very clearly that : :::::
allmost all the govermental official 'r all neglecting or ignoring or conniving the Christiannity ,

---------

i do dare to guarantee very clearly that : :::::
the Christiannity 's been sufferring a steady decline in their own homeland ,
i.e.
the western worlds ,
there4 ,
they'r concentrating all their fires to focus on east asia ,
especially
expecially our motherland the China

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/24 02:39

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 20:26 發表
谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个 ...

by 'the way ,

in which city art thou living ?? cheers ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/24 02:47

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-23 20:26 發表
谢谢P兄
一下就回了我这么多。。
受宠若惊啊
关于你问我的问题，说我有什么朋友有这么的问题。。。
其实我发现。。。真的好多基督徒啊。。。在内地
刚刚发现。。。原来我阿姨也是信基督的。。。
但是不是全信好像，这个 ...

>>>> 最近国内的事情么
>>>> 大家都应该听说了吧
>>>> 如果有问题的话也可以问下我啊，我知道的话会给大家答案的

doest thou have any acquaintance with any Muslim or 维族人 e.t.c. ????

this time , why 藏人 so much ......... ?????????????????? aftrall , they all do all believe in buddhism !!

cheers ThANKye

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/3/24 14:08 標題: 回復 1# onlyaaaa 的帖子

「一直的发发消息，聊天和说事情」這不是比之前不瞅不睬好很多麼？

聽你一說，我再比較一下兩岸三地的Yahoo知識關於宗教問答情況：

台灣：http://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/di ... 22&r=1189554897
大陸：http://ks.cn.yahoo.com/dir/97316747_ask.html
香港：http://hk.knowledge.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=102204488

還有大陸百度：http://zhidao.baidu.com/browse/208?lm=9

反而基督教在台灣並沒有出現氾濫的情況，可能與那裡保留了中國傳統的多神多元有關？而大陸人的問答，的確出現令人憂慮的情況。

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/24 14:39 標題: 回復 15# 抽刀斷水的帖子

大陆的情况
可以归结为以下几个原因
1.众所周知，解放后的毛主席的破除旧思想的运动，和那70年代的大运动，将中国传统的神明和传统思想打压了一大半，就像这里所说的，文化出现了断层
2改革开放，让大陆的百姓一下子接触到了不一样的外面世界，崇洋的心理和文化的断层已经新新事物的新鲜感让基督教容易接受。
从有一种很有趣的思维可以看出：佛教的许多东西是迷信，而基督的东西都是宗教信仰。。。在中国政府的宣传里面迷信是要破除的，宗教信仰是要尊重的
3个人的心理恐惧和精神空虚，让很多人盲信了基督，这个原因我在这里以前的帖子也说过。因信称义，死后进天堂，坏事做太多。都是信基督的好理由
4中国人口众多，是个不争的事实，人多，导致的问题就是社会竞争压力大，生存困难，精神压力大，在大陆这里，你想要过好日子，真的是压力很大的，就拿我们毕业找工作说，快毕业了还有5~6个学生没有找到工作，这样的情况下，基督教成了很好的逃避场所，一个小的团体，没有竞争没有勾心斗角，而且在上帝眼里，每个基督徒都是独一无二的个体，受荣耀的。人脆弱的心理，想要受到重视的思想，苟活的目标，在基督教里都被他们找到了。
5基督教的强大宣传攻势和教义的排他性侵略性和教义的洗脑，让人们跳不出去，怎么说这个原因呢，就是基督教的教义已经和中国的传统思想有些相容了。（在基督徒的心中）他们用中国的传统文化来解释圣经和神的话。
就拿我女友来说吧，中国传统文化中是很注重什么女孩子的第一次的，这个基督的反对婚前性行为的教义是相同的。当然2者出于什么目的才有这样说法的我在这里就不深究了。我女友就将2种说法融合了
还有她说她要对父母好，“树欲静而风不止，子欲养而亲不在”说这是圣经中上帝训诫的重要一条
我怎么也没找到这条话啊。。。难道是我还没看到？
怎么说我（分手的）女友呢，她真的是个好姑娘，看圣经只看好的一面，真正做到了盲信。其实对她也有好处吧，她脑子其实不是很会对付外面的人际关系，真正走到外面的世界对她来说太危险了。她自己也知道应该，而且她也不会弄，所以躲在上帝的这个小圈子里对她自己来说，是个最好的选择吧

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/24 14:56 標題: 回復 14# prussianz 的帖子

藏族的事情
西藏是吧
知道有句话怎么说么？秋后算账
知道现在胡主席以前是做什么的么？
知道果1989年的时候西藏也爆发过达赖组织暴动么？
胡景涛，时任西藏自治区区长，
在1989西藏暴动的时候，亲自到第一线，先斩后奏的戒严
正是因为这个，他才是现在的主席。
关于现在这个主席，光看面相，给我的感觉就是一个有能甩的出手的人，果断，敢上
为什么暴动，原因应该很简单
中国现在实行的是人民民主专制的，达赖想要做的就是将西藏变回到农奴制，藏传佛教的教义我还不是很清楚，但是关于活佛转世和藏人的一些以前的制度还是知道点的。
中国政府不允许他们改变制度，于是就开始闹了。其实从1958西藏解放到现在，都没停过。
你闹就闹，你别杀人啊，奥运会是个让事情闹大的好机会，但是你杀人了，就是你不对了，有什么问题大家做下来谈。你杀人了，你就倒霉了。

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/24 14:59 標題: 回復 14# prussianz 的帖子

中国政府对这个，有自己的一套办法
也就是这套办法，让别人说中国人不民主
但是这些说的人
拜托先照下自己的镜子，有没有资格说别人
关于这个问题
我想知道下境外是怎么评论的啊
谢谢各位给我点资讯

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/24 15:09 標題: 回復 15# 抽刀斷水的帖子

还有关于中华传统文化的事情
中国政府已经开始重视了
今年开始，我国的国定假日改掉了
包括了，清明节，端午节，中秋节
而且春节的放假，从原来的大年初一开始放变成了除夕就开始放假了
前段时间不是开2会么？
有个提案
说是在小学教育中增加繁体字的教学
在大学文科的学习中增加繁体字的科目和学分，要求可以用繁体字和简体字一样的熟练程度
有一种说话，文字的简体化，和中国传统文化的丢失有着莫大的关系
现在国内的相关学者就有2种观点，支持重新用繁的和支持一直用简的

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/24 15:10

好累。。。这么多，我休息下。。
喝水去了。。。

作者: 匿名 時間: 2008/3/25 01:00

I travel across HK, Canada, and Mainland.  Half of my life thus far is in HK, another half is in Canada.  But my work involve a lot of traveling in Mainland.

================
It is a women who is going to have a baby.  Giving birth is decision 1) Raising the kids is decision number 2)  The common misconception is thinking that 1) will leads to 2)  When it is a always possible decision combination to give birth and abandon it.

For Tibet, the invasion is decision 1), the occupation is decision 2).  Historically speaking, unless you read only the Mainland history book, you will see clearly that Tibet is as much of part of China as Korea is.  They are both only a sidekick of the once formidable Chinese Empire.  The closest relation we get with them is on Yang dynasty and Ch'ing's dynasty.  But at neither time did we really have total control over them.  The view that Tibetian as part of Chinese is a new concept that only arise after Ch'ing's fall (and Sun campaign).

It should be clear that the initial taking of Tibet into China should be view as as invasion.  We deserve the name invader as much as liberator (actually, we are both)

HOWEVER, it does not follow that Tibet should seperate from China now (or China should end the occupation).  The reason is that priority should be given to the welfare of the people on the land.  Tibetian fare much better under Communist China than a Depotist Dela Lama.  Not only is the economic condition better, people are also more "equal" under Communist rule than the Feudal government!

If China quit the occupation, where will the Hans that is currently living on the land goes? How much of a chaos it will cause with new currency, new diplomatic relationship, and a ultra-sour feeling between the two neighbours. (Chinese is very unlikely to be tolerant about the seperation,) Whatever the gain they believe people can get, this price tag is expensive.

Now suppose Chinese is truely trying to eliminate the culture of the Tibetian (which have been tried, I am not up todate with the current situation.)

1) What is wrong with a cultural change?  The current Tibet's Budhism is an imported culture too!  If part of the culture is rottening, it should be advantagous to discard the part.  If the part of culture is so great, someone will see it, keep it, and even spread it.  Did not Budhism teaches that life is a flux?

2) Does it follow that people should use violence to solve the issue?  Have they tried all the peaceful venue?  (For example, get a PR campaign to tell everyone what is good about their culture?)  What have the saleswomen did to deserve death?  What will killing a couple of innocent civilians achieve?
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For democracy, I do not believe 2 wrongs makes a right.  I believe people can and should look after each other's back.

Hence, I believe a person DO NOT need to be "totally" democratic to critize another to be undemocratic.

I know I am at odds with the modern Chinese/American culture here.

Ouside:
- Canada have freedom of press (try visit wiki in China).  There is a communist party in Canada and no one is going to prosecute them.

- Canada have freedom of speech (There are not many sacred cow in Canada. watch TVB in Mainland should prove the point.)

- For Canada, the point of view is comparatively neutral (because it is an immigration country just like US.  Its national principle is multiculralism instead of assimiliation (US and China).  The latest soap I watch in China about sensely murdering Japanese will land a person in jail for promoting racism.  Typically you will be a Canadian if you live in Canada long enough but a blonde will be viewed as a Chinese no matter how long he lives in China.)

- Canada have a balance of power.  A horrible prime minister is not going to get very far.

- We have a reasonable potiential to participate in the government for everyone.  Nearly no one is left out.  (I never see my workers in China get a chance to participate in the government.  The babies born outside of the one child policy are like second class citizen.  BUT, it is slowly changing for the better these days.)
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For filial piety in Bible, it is part of the Ten Commandment.

5) "Honor your Father and Mother"

Deuteronomy 5:16
16 Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
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Last time after you told me about the prohibition of preaching in mainland, the next day I switch on the TV.. they are having a "witness" show on how real the Noah's Ark myth is. (IE preaching on TV in Guangzhou)

You don't need to believe me, but the law in China is great.  But not many respect it.

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/25 01:01

Above is me

作者: Step.King 時間: 2008/3/25 02:40 標題: 回復 22# dye 的帖子

dye 兄你唔係話離開一排咩

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/3/25 03:46 標題: 回復 18# onlyaaaa 的帖子

我聽到的主要是香港批評外地傳媒未能直接進入採訪西藏，只能由中央發放訊息。那麼，是真是假也不得而知了。

台灣當然是指大陸鎮壓西藏，說台灣不要做香港第二、西藏第二。

外國嘛，很多都說西藏被血腥鎮壓了，當然亦由於傳媒沒有在西藏直接採訪，只能訪問境外異見人士了。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/25 07:12

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-24 15:10 發表
好累。。。这么多，我休息下。。
喝水去了。。。

sorry for driving thee so tired累 , please accept my sincere apology ,

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shouldst thou have not enough spare time ,
then ,
simply
n'o////no response to me !! n'o problem , not any
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by 'the way , thou hast written it very best , very detailedly , it does take me time to [[re]]digest ....
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cheers ThANK ye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/25 07:15

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-25 01:01 發表
Above is me

ThANKs , thou art so sweet as swiss [[sweet]] ,

,;--^), i'm reading thy works ,

c thee later 2day , cheers ThANKye

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作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/25 10:06 標題: 回復 24# 抽刀斷水的帖子

Really?

According to BBC,

"2008年3月10日，拉萨藏人集会纪念1959年抗议中国统治失败事件，随后数日继续发生大规模抗议活动。后来骚乱出现，引起各方关注。 "

什麼"很多都說西藏被血腥鎮壓了"??

There seems to be no detail report from CBC about it. All too typical of Canadian.

Nation Post (Canada's right wing newspaper) said most Canadian oppose to a boycott on the Olympic over it.

"Rioting erupted in a province neighbouring Tibet yesterday, two days after violent protests by Tibetans against Chinese rule in Lhasa in which the region's exiled representatives said 80 people had been killed."

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In terms of actual action:

German and US are both asking (politely?) for China to open up for an observer so that they can know what is going on.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-25 10:26 編輯 ]

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/25 10:12 標題: 回復 23# Step.King 的帖子

I said I will be busy for a while.

In fact I have been traveling around in Mainland a lot lately.

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/3/25 10:39 標題: 回復 27# dye 的帖子

翻譯問題？

BBC：西藏血腥鎮壓加劇北京奧運創傷

http://udn.com/NEWS/WORLD/WORS1/4261317.shtml

在google查「西藏血腥」，都有很多。

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/25 10:55 標題: 回復 29# 抽刀斷水的帖子

The passage is directly from BBC, Chinese division.

在google查「西藏血腥」，都有很多, but internet is not representative of the populace.

Udn is a company from Mainland. The Chinese government WANTS its populace to have paranoia (my personal opinion)

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Image from BBC on the troops

Fellow from Mainland probably do not see it.  However, it is about a child "welcoming" the army.  THIS, is how ouside see China.
Is that how you would describe a massacre?

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It can be demonstrated again and again.  To keep in-group solidarity, it is best to tell people that the out-group hate us.  It has been the underlying causes of hatred and war.

US government like to tell their citizen that Chinese hate them.  Chinese did exactly the same.  Fortunately, US has free press.  The people I met from US takes CNN with a grain of salt.

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作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/25 22:18 標題: 回復 21# 的帖子

nice 2 meet u 遊客 221.125.57.x
i`m also a 遊客 used 2...
so welcome to here,and happy to talk with u(以下的文字我尽量用英文来锻炼我自己，不行的话我再用中文）

actually now the rioting is happening in SICHUAN SHENG and in GANSU
SHENG these days.they seems to wangtto go to  the BEIJING...
the things about TIBET(i much like use 西藏），i can guess the chinese gov why do that
1.through the all rioting, the chinese gov really no kill or beat  or the镇压anyone.他们只是控制，不让事情太过头。the army or the police much more like 打扫战场的（笑~）让你们去闹，让你们去做事情，知道没办法控制，而且控制了会更糟，（这样就可以真正的让别人说成镇压了。）i dont know all u here have seen the video about or not. really so many people there. after all is over, the gov start to his work中国政府现在就从道路监控录像里面找主要的嫌疑人来通缉。就是我前面说的秋后算账。首先在道义上站住脚，让人家说不到把柄。然后一个个来找你解决。你杀人了，你杀警察了，你挖警察屁股上的肉了。到了里面政府一个个慢慢来给你算。黑的来，不明来，来完了最后判个死刑。其实也不是政府弄你，是军队和警察的人在弄你，你弄我们的人弄的开心啊，打我们的时候打的这么开心。进去了就是你遭报应的时候了。
2the gov why not allow  to open up for an observer so that they can know what is going on.因为他怕你们进去了，然后你们在里面出事了，到时候国际上不好交代，治国无方，没办法保护好国际友人。还有一部分原因确实怕那些人乱说。
3不知道大家有没有看过天下无贼。。。里面有句话：人心散了。。。队伍不好带了。。现在中国人的心很混乱，不能让这样的事发生，如果真的独立了，后面事情会复杂很多了。（民间说法，政府中存在着2派，南派和北派，互相比实力，但是个人感觉，2派没事的时候会窝里斗斗，一出事，还是会联合起来的，所谓攘外必先安内。。。）另外一方面，就是杀鸡儆猴，给台湾看。我在内地看到一个帖子，
说他看凤凰卫视一个节目，里面说是中国政府通过使馆向其他国家发照会了，一旦台湾独立，马上打！
还有，我对外国人关于这个事件的反应的我的看法，和游客兄的观点中几个我不同意的地方。。。下回继续。。。

不好意思。。要早睡。。明天6点半要起，有事情做
明天回来继续说。。。抹汗:

[ 本帖最後由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-25 22:20 編輯 ]

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/25 23:53 標題: 回復 31# onlyaaaa 的帖子

1) What kind of government would let its civilian to be burnt alive just so that it can "punish" dissendents? Imcompetence? Or down right evil?

Is that not thinking too low of Communist China?

Least you do not realize, suppressing a riot is not a crime in international community. A peaceful demonstration is vastly different from a riot. I rather prefer to belive that they are unprepared for the event (intelligence failure).

2) Having a riot is one sign of incompetence. Not able to control is second. Unable to protect independent observer is third. Do we need a fourth?

International community will understand if the obersers get killed by the rioter if reasonable measure is taken by the host. Being a reporter in a riot has risk, they sign up for it. If they do not want the risk, they can always quit by themselves.

(Are they going to ban bungee jump too because it is risky?)

Interesting thing is, the exile of the observer is immediately follow by tighter censorship about the topic in China. If you have not leave China so far, you can only see what they want you to see...

3) If Taiwan gain independence (which it already has de facto), China would fight a war. Where is the talk about brotherhood of the same nation? You kill your brother for his independence? If you are a Taiwanese, would you be as cool when they kill your family? What happen to the Golden Rule of the once great Chinese culture?

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-26 00:12 編輯 ]

作者: Nomad 時間: 2008/3/26 05:46

>unprepared for the event (intelligence failure).

此其一
其二是一個很簡單的問題,就是要是軍隊很難實行鎮壓而不傷害場內無辜的平民
(其實中國對暴動準備始終是不足的,而反過來,要是開坦克鎮壓的話,不止耐不住會被全世界發現,而且子彈不會長眼,對於拉薩市平民的後果會很嚴重)
所以比較方便的方法是疏散還沒有波及而在暴動範圍內的平民,然後徹底封鎖現場。

>Having a riot is one sign of incompetence.

這種事情每年在歐洲足總賽後都會上演一次
當然,這種有組織地攻擊特定平民目標的riot能發生倒是種失敗

> Not able to control is second.

發生了之後,再控制一向都是極為困難
尤其暴動者一開始就混在受害者中
還有,這些可是連防暴警察都會打扁的傢伙

>Unable to protect independent observer is third.

問題就是
要是在以色列發生的話,所有人都會不明不白的指向巴勒斯坦人
而在中國發生的話,無論是不是軍警開鎗,他們都會說是軍警殺的
(而記者為了新聞,往往就是往最容易死掉的地方跑的)

最有趣的是,德國一開始就影下尼泊爾警察虐待藏民的片子聲稱是中國公安所為
(連制服和膚色都不同)
而CNN最早亦借同一片報導。
這在於任何國家而言,都不算是很禮貌的開放請求。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 06:08

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-25 22:18 發表
nice 2 meet u 遊客 221.125.57.x
i`m also a 遊客 used 2...
so welcome to here,and happy to talk with u(以下的文字我尽量用英文来锻炼我自己，不行的话我再用中文）
actually now the rioting is happening ...

>>>>>>>>> (以下的文字我尽量用英文来锻炼我自己，不行的话我再用中文）

好，有前途
好有前途，

, marvel , bravo

作者: Nomad 時間: 2008/3/26 06:11

>How much of a chaos it will cause with new currency, new diplomatic relationship, and a ultra-sour feeling between the two neighbours. (Chinese is very unlikely to be tolerant about the seperation,) Whatever the gain they believe people can get, this price tag is expensive.

其實要是西藏新彊兩個地方跑掉的話
錢中原人是賺了
怕的只是一中國會搞成前蘇聯一樣
二是俄國和印度的軍隊(失去了喜瑪拉雅山脈的保障,任何對於中國資源虎視眈眈的政權都可以從西藏進入青海攻擊。)
到底,首先蝕底的仍然是西藏人自己。
(所以他們說藏民一般根本就不想獨立,其實倒是很有此可能)

>1) What is wrong with a cultural change?  The current Tibet's Budhism is an imported culture too!  If part of the culture is rottening, it should be advantagous to discard the part.  If the part of culture is so great, someone will see it, keep it, and even spread it.  Did not Budhism teaches that life is a flux?

世界任何國家都會經歷這些步驟的。
多點時間吧。
正如加州人和波士頓人會堆到唐人街飲茶一樣
要是藏文化真的有那麼好康
五十年之後我們或者會通通穿藏服也說不定。
(旗袍不就在民國都仍然流行了?)

>- Canada have freedom of press (try visit wiki in China).  There is a communist party in Canada and no one is going to prosecute them.

其實美國是試過的。
而共和黨那種教會的政客現在仍在試著回到那個時代。

>- Canada have freedom of speech (There are not many sacred cow in Canada. watch TVB in Mainland should prove the point.)

美國南部到現在都仍然是沒有的。
你當街說你是無神論者的話
你同樣會被射成蜂窩而沒有人會替你報警

>- For Canada, the point of view is comparatively neutral

同上,這是花了百年時間的成果。

>- Canada have a balance of power.  A horrible prime minister is not going to get very far.

抱歉,在美國,教會有足夠的時間當政令伊拉克合計死亡兩百萬人。
... 毫無意義地
(要是死那麼多是有錢賺回來的話,我還不會加教會兩個字上去)

>- We have a reasonable potiential to participate in the government for everyone.  Nearly no one is left out.

同樣錯
美國是不可能出一位華人,或,黑人,或女人總統的(今次大選也不會)
加拿大同樣不會 - 即令另外的選擇可能是希特勒或者是世界大戰。

>the next day I switch on the TV.. they are having a "witness" show on how real the Noah's Ark myth is. (IE preaching on TV in Guangzhou)

所以我才說中國何止百年國難。

>You don't need to believe me, but the law in China is great.  But not many respect it.

同樣,當宗教有需要的時候
無論是美國還是加拿大,都不見得他們很尊重自己的憲法。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 06:12

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 05:46 發表
>unprepared for the event (intelligence failure).

此其一
其二是一個很簡單的問題,就是要是軍隊很難實行鎮壓而不傷害場內無辜的平民
(其實中國對暴動準備始終是不足的,而反過來,要是開坦克鎮壓的話,不止耐不住會 ...

最有趣的是,德國一開始就影下尼泊爾警察虐待藏民的片子聲稱是中國公安所為
(連制服和膚色都不同)
而CNN最早亦借同一片報導。
這在於任何國家而言,都不算是很禮貌的開放請求。

,;--^)), ThANKs 4 unique insight , which i have missed

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 06:21

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 06:11 發表
>How much of a chaos it will cause with new currency, new diplomatic relationship, and a ultra-sour feeling between the two neighbours. (Chinese is very unlikely to be tolerant about the seperation,) ...

>How much of a chaos it will cause with new currency, new diplomatic relationship, and a ultra-sour feeling between the two neighbours. (Chinese is very unlikely to be tolerant about the seperation,) Whatever the gain they believe people can get, this price tag is expensive.

其實要是西藏新彊兩個地方跑掉的話
錢中原人是賺了
怕的只是一中國會搞成前蘇聯一樣
二是俄國和印度的軍隊(失去了喜瑪拉雅山脈的保障,任何對於中國資源虎視眈眈的政權都可以從西藏進入青海攻擊。)
到底,首先蝕底的仍然是西藏人自己。
(所以他們說藏民一般根本就不想獨立,其實倒是很有此可能)

>>>> 其實要是西藏新彊兩個地方跑掉的話
>>>> 錢中原人是賺了
sorry , i un-understood 'the red sentence , ThANKing4teaching
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>>>> 怕的只是一中國會搞成前蘇聯一樣 ,
completly completely agree

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>>>> 二
>>>> 是俄國和印度的軍隊(失去了喜瑪拉雅山脈的保障,
>>>> 任何對於中國資源虎視眈眈的政權都可以從西藏進入青海攻擊。)
completly completely agree x 2
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(所以他們說藏民一般根本就不想獨立,其實倒是很有此可能)
sorry , this time not agree ,
--
according 'the camera shots ,
@ this time ,
even
'the monks +
'the ladies did stand out + led 'the gangsters to stand against again
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n'o matter what-ever , many a ThANKye ,

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-26 06:24 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 06:33

>- We have a reasonable potiential to participate in the government for everyone. Nearly no one is left out.

同樣錯
美國是不可能出一位華人,或,黑人,或女人總統的(今次大選也不會)
加拿大同樣不會 - 即令另外的選擇可能是希特勒或者是世界大戰。

couldest thou bet on that ??

作者: Nomad 時間: 2008/3/26 06:56

>according 'the camera shots ,
>@ this time ,
>even
>'the monks +
>'the ladies did stand out + led 'the gangsters to stand against again

始終都是那問題,那佔拉薩當中的多少人?
要是真的那麼多人那麼嚴重的要獨立的話,恐怕早就像巴勒斯坦一樣了。

>couldest thou bet on that ??

賭多少?

另,特別賭注五千元美金
「共和黨再上場的話五年內會發生核戰。」
實現的話我贏。

作者: Nomad 時間: 2008/3/26 06:59

>錢中原人是賺了
>sorry , i un-understood 'the red sentence ,

其實現下西藏(尤其拉薩市)是靠中原和岸口都市的資金和技術發展的
但是始終物流極不方便,所以要靠青鐵和解放軍運物資
要是藏獨的話,解放軍大可省回運物資的消耗
口岸都市又可以徹資省錢,不用千里昭昭去老遠搞基建

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 07:23

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 06:56 發表
>according 'the camera shots ,
>@ this time ,
>even
>'the monks +
>'the ladies did stand out + led 'the gangsters to stand against again

始終都是那問題,那佔拉薩當中的多少人?
要是真的那麼多人那麼 ...

>couldest thou bet on that ??

賭多少?

另,特別賭注五千元美金
「共和黨再上場的話五年內會發生核戰。」
實現的話我贏。

.... ae

..... 大锅，比你大到tim

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-26 07:28 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 07:30

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 06:56 發表
>according 'the camera shots ,
>@ this time ,
>even
>'the monks +
>'the ladies did stand out + led 'the gangsters to stand against again

始終都是那問題,那佔拉薩當中的多少人?
要是真的那麼多人那麼 ...

另,特別賭注五千元美金
「共和黨再上場的話五年內會發生核戰。」
實現的話我贏

but , n'o matter whatsoever , i do b so 黑心 to want thee to lose @ here ,

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 07:36

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 06:56 發表
>according 'the camera shots ,
>@ this time ,
>even
>'the monks +
>'the ladies did stand out + led 'the gangsters to stand against again

始終都是那問題,那佔拉薩當中的多少人?
要是真的那麼多人那麼 ...

另,特別賭注五千元美金
「共和黨再上場的話五年內會發生核戰。」
實現的話我贏。

sorry again ,
doest thou not feel thy proposition too controversial or arbitrary or impossible ?????????

sorry again

cheers ThANKye

作者: Nomad 時間: 2008/3/26 07:46

>sorry again ,
>doest thou not feel thy proposition too controversial or arbitrary or impossible ?????????

哪個?

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/26 10:05 標題: 回復 33# Nomad 的帖子

1) Scale matters.  If there is not too many fellow in a riot, riot police will work.  Containing the rioter will help.

Considering the potential rioter in HK when WTO have their meeting here.  It is about training, equipment, persuation skills and morale.

According to witness from BBC, Chinese governemnt also stop part of the rioter from reaching the scene by having undercover cops reporting and sending riot police before fellow rioter can get too far from the monastary.

2) But they are always trying to stop the riot in soccer games from starting.  Eurpean are not perfect.  Riot does occur nonetheless

3) The difference is censorshiip as a national policy, and censorship as a mob policy.  Even no one report to to the police, but if you do, it will be a murder case in US.  Where as in China, there is no case.  Richard Dawkins and el. do not get shot in the south anyway.

4) People working from behind always has a better time catching up.  They see our mistakes in advance.

5) For Iraq, occupation and invasion is 2 different choices.  If US invade and leave, Iraq will be in chaos.  Saddam is not an average depotist anyway.  The key here is if the citizen believe it is a wrong decision?  The tide is  turning just nowadays.  If US citizen want him down, the oppuntunity is there (Talk to your local representative if you wish a fast track).

If Chinese wants to bring Wen down because they think he did something stupid, how much of a participation do they have? (With no bloodshed)

6) Oh, Canada is a Christian country by Constitution.  (Following UK's lead, Anglican Church)  By ideal, Canada is nominally Christian.  In function, Canada is some-what secular.

7) There are Chinese MP in Canada.  Woman PM in history.  We have a Chinese governor to represent the Queen before.  It is a fair game.  Chinese is a minority, ofcourse it will be a minority in the government.  (Even with full participation, the PM of China will still be a Chinese simply because the majority is Chinese.)

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FYI

Riot control - How it can be done

http://people.howstuffworks.com/riot-control.htm

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-26 10:20 編輯 ]

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/3/26 11:05

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 05:46 發表
最有趣的是,德國一開始就影下尼泊爾警察虐待藏民的片子聲稱是中國公安所為
(連制服和膚色都不同)
而CNN最早亦借同一片報導。
這在於任何國家而言,都不算是很禮貌的開放請求。

道歉了：

德國傳媒承認錯誤報道西藏騷亂表示遺憾

德國一個電視新聞頻道承認 , 對西藏騷亂存在失實報道 , 並表示深感遺憾.
德國的N-TV頻道在上星期四報道西藏騷亂時, 播出照片和短片, 協助講述當時的情況 , 但原來資料是出自尼泊爾, 並不是西藏的實況 .
發言人解釋資料來自國際通訊社, 但電視台疏忽引致今次事件, 事後已抽起錯誤的新聞材料.

http://www.metroradio.com.hk/news/news/20080325015501.htm

另外，關於外國的報道，中國的傳媒也作出了回應：

全球華人抗議西方歪曲報道

原始圖（右）中暴徒投擲石塊的畫面，在CNN網站（左）中不見了。

寫著“急救”字樣救護車居然被描述成為“軍事存在”，帶著尼泊爾警察帽子的人士在本國攔截“藏獨”分子居然被報道為“西藏發生新的示威”！自從3月14日拉薩發生打砸搶燒事件以來，這些匪夷所思的內容就這樣黑白顛倒地出現在西方媒體上。……

http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/big5/news.xinhuanet.com/herald/2008-03/25/content_7852318.htm

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/26 11:18 標題: 回復 46# 抽刀斷水的帖子

Well? Any independent source of what is going on in Tibet?

This is all too typical of Chinese media. Do you really think they did that intentionally? (The "West" is not a single bloc. It has a diversity of opinion. The media also represent that.)

Here is another photo from CNN

Are they really trying to protray the protester as "peaceful"?

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/3/26 11:22 標題: 回復 47# dye 的帖子

Without prejudice... 我只引述而已。

以下連結有很多圖片：
http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/b ... content_7837849.htm

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/26 11:42 標題: 回復 48# 抽刀斷水的帖子

Hardly.

XinHua is Chinese version of CNN.  The only difference is that Chinese government probably have more control over Xin Hua than US has on CNN.

Comparing the actual bbc link with image.  I do not know if they update it quickly or what.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7300312.stm

But look at the passage in context and see.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-26 11:46 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 16:03

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 07:46 發表
>sorry again ,
>doest thou not feel thy proposition too controversial or arbitrary or impossible ?????????

哪個?

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 06:56 發表 [url=redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16012&ptid=1606][/url]
>couldest thou bet on that ??

賭多少?

另,特別賭注五千元美金
「共和黨再上場的話五年內會發生核戰。」
實現的話我贏。

>>>>>>>>> 「共和黨再上場的話五年內會發生核戰。」

o k sorry ,

, nothing but just justified junx4funx , cheers ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-28 04:39 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/26 18:40

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-25 10:12 發表
I said I will be busy for a while.

In fact I have been traveling around in Mainland a lot lately.

谢谢恋恋不捨不弃不离离教家 ,

when
i was here the first time the first moment ,
i have promised myself very affirmativly to leave 離教者之家
asap
as soon as possible ,

but ,
'the result .... o k
ye bet it ,
ye get it ,

i'm proud to be 'the promise breaker ,

thou => you => u =>

=> 2me2

cheers ThANKye

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/26 21:47

something about xizang
i find
http://news.sina.com.cn/z/xizang08/index.shtml
THOU i`m very unpleasant this WEB Bcause word "sina"
but.. i`m now just have a break
i have so many things...

家教。。毕业设计。。学车。。。
oh~~
2morrow i must get up at 6 again...so ,have to bath and go to bed...
sorry

P.S about my girlfriend. we 现在还是老样子吧。。。哎。。
今天看报纸，又看了篇关于男人孤独的文章。。。
深有感触。。。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 05:00

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-26 21:47 發表
something about xizang
i find
http://news.sina.com.cn/z/xizang08/index.shtml
THOU i`m very unpleasant this WEB Bcause word "sina"
but.. i`m now just have a break
i have so many things...
家教 ...

P.S about my girlfriend. we 现在还是老样子吧。。。哎。。
今天看报纸，又看了篇关于男人孤独的文章。。。
深有感触。。。

dont worry any ,

just keep on brushing up thy english competitibility for jobs paying more $$$$

me support thee ,;--^),

, cheers ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 05:12

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-26 21:47 發表
something about xizang
i find
http://news.sina.com.cn/z/xizang08/index.shtml
THOU i`m very unpleasant this WEB Bcause word "sina"
but.. i`m now just have a break
i have so many things...
家教 ...

>>>>>>>>> THOU i`m very unpleasant this WEB Bcause word "sina"

i guestimate thou mayst////may be////b to mean : :::::
````` THOUgh i`m very unpleasant with this WEBsite Because of the word "sina" ''''

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>>>>>>>>> i have so many things
it would b better for thy sentence to b re-phrased as : ::::::
````` i have so many things to do ''''

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sorry for my friendly correction/////recommendation////suggestion ,
sorry cheers ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-28 04:42 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 05:13

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-26 21:47 發表
something about xizang
i find
http://news.sina.com.cn/z/xizang08/index.shtml
THOU i`m very unpleasant this WEB Bcause word "sina"
but.. i`m now just have a break
i have so many things...
家教 ...

>>>> 家教
what's ,,,,,家教'''' ?? cheers ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 05:23

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-26 21:47 發表
something about xizang
i find
http://news.sina.com.cn/z/xizang08/index.shtml
THOU i`m very unpleasant this WEB Bcause word "sina"
but.. i`m now just have a break
i have so many things...
家教 ...

mmmmmmmmm , sorry , please let me speak frankly ,
mmmmmmmmm

i suggest : ::::::::::
thou better
to re-read thy english posts +
+
to discuss with thyself or together with thy english-learning friends ,
- about them ,
- about the correctness of the english grammar-usage in thy english posts ,
- about how to improve 'the sentences there-in to conform with grammar
draconniannly////draconianly ,

i did also adOpt 'the similar ,,,,,old-fashions'''' approach in learning english or german e.t.c. ,
[[[[[[[[[ old-is-gold ]]]]]]]]]
by 'the way ,
i should have been much older than thou ,;--^)),

cheers ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-27 05:36 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 05:52

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-24 14:39 發表
大陆的情况
可以归结为以下几个原因
1.众所周知，解放后的毛主席的破除旧思想的运动，和那70年代的大运动，将中国传统的神明和传统思想打压了一大半，就像这里所说的，文化出现了断层
2改革开放，让大陆的百姓一下子接触到了不一 ...

very insightsfully////insightfully ,
very explanatory ,
very detailedly ,
i cant express 'the same ideas////ideaes near as good////well as thou .... just too far away from thee ,
i cant express 'the same ideas////ideaes near as good////well as thou .... even in chinese language ,
i do like especially////expecially following food-for-thought : :

4中国人口众多，是个不争的事实，人多，导致的问题就是社会竞争压力大，生存困难，精神压力大，在大陆这里，你想要过好日子，真的是压力很大的，就拿我们毕业找工作说，快毕业了还有5~6个学生没有找到工作，这样的情况下，基督教成了很好的逃避场所，一个小的团体，没有竞争没有勾心斗角，而且在上帝眼里，每个基督徒都是独一无二的个体，受荣耀的。人脆弱的心理，想要受到重视的思想，苟活的目标，在基督教里都被他们找到了。

cheers ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 06:08

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-24 15:09 發表
还有关于中华传统文化的事情
中国政府已经开始重视了
今年开始，我国的国定假日改掉了
包括了，清明节，端午节，中秋节
而且春节的放假，从原来的大年初一开始放变成了除夕就开始放假了
前段时间不是开2会么？
有个提案
说是在小 ...

>>>>>>>>> 还有关于中华传统文化的事情中国政府已经开始重视了

.1. too late ,

.2. ,,,,,开始'''' o yes , agree , i.e. just only 开始 , too late , too little ,

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 06:22

原帖由 Guest from 221.125.57.x 於 2008-3-25 01:00 發表
I travel across HK, Canada, and Mainland. Half of my life thus far is in HK, another half is in Canada. But my work involve a lot of traveling in Mainland.

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It is a women who is goi ...

first
sorries4lateness in replies ,
sorry having n'o time ,

If China quit the occupation, where will the Hans that is currently living on the land goes? How much of a chaos it will cause with new currency, new diplomatic relationship, and a ultra-sour feeling between the two neighbours. (Chinese is very unlikely to be tolerant about the seperation,) Whatever the gain they believe people can get, this price tag is expensive.

>>>>>>>>> chaos
chaos .... o yes , me agree

.1. there may always b the opportunities of the civillian wars ,

.2.
xinjiang , taiwan , yunnan , chinghai e.t.c. ..... would 有样学样 ,
then , all would b busy in running + frontrunning for independency ,
then , more-n-more inter-wars + intra-wars ,
just like those taking place in russia with chechnyan e.t.c. currently ,
just like those taking place among CIS countries , e.t.c. currently ,
---------
n'o////no 1 [[[[[[[[[ except America e.t.c ]]]]]]]]] would b happy ,

cheers ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-27 06:28 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 06:35

原帖由 Guest from 221.125.57.x 於 2008-3-25 01:00 發表
I travel across HK, Canada, and Mainland. Half of my life thus far is in HK, another half is in Canada. But my work involve a lot of traveling in Mainland.

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It is a women who is goi ...

2) Does it follow that people should use violence to solve the issue? Have they tried all the peaceful venue? (For example, get a PR campaign to tell everyone what is good about their culture?) What have the saleswomen did to deserve death? What will killing a couple of innocent civilians achieve?

too many girls have sufferred in brutal death in these very few days ,

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/27 06:39

原帖由 Guest from 221.125.57.x 於 2008-3-25 01:00 發表
I travel across HK, Canada, and Mainland. Half of my life thus far is in HK, another half is in Canada. But my work involve a lot of traveling in Mainland.

================
It is a women who is goi ...

Last time after you told me about the prohibition of preaching in mainland, the next day I switch on the TV.. they are having a "witness" show on how real the Noah's Ark myth is. (IE preaching on TV in Guangzhou)

was that from atv or tvb in hk ????

the Christians 'r really
all-super talents
+
all-super riches in realising how to accomplish circumventing

cheers ThANKye

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/3/27 16:51

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-26 21:47 發表
P.S about my girlfriend. we 现在还是老样子吧。。。哎。。
今天看报纸，又看了篇关于男人孤独的文章。。。
深有感触。。。

男人要解決的事情，已經比女人少得多了。

好好享受短暫的孤獨，永久寂寞的機會很微。

看！大陸終於准許記者在西藏採訪了，而且對記者們呵護有嘉，嚴密「保護」哩。

拉薩事件後首批境外媒體進藏採訪

2008/03/26 22:46:36

（中央社記者黃季寬拉薩二十六日電）三月十四日拉薩發生騷亂事件後，首批中國大陸境外的媒體今天進入西藏採訪。

這項採訪由中國國務院新聞辦公室主辦，共有台灣、香港、美國、卡達半島電視等境外媒體記者共二十多人參加。中央社記者也參加這次記者採訪團到拉薩。

採訪團於下午三時許抵達拉薩機場，一下飛機就可感覺到事件平息後仍殘留的不寧靜氣氛，兩名武警頭戴鋼盔，身穿防彈衣在機場大廳巡邏，透出一股潛藏的不安。

帶隊的工作人員一再叮囑，目前距事件發生時日尚近，還有不法份子未能緝獲，採訪記者一定要團體行動，注意安全。

晚餐後採訪團驅車前往布達拉宮前廣場，廣場空氣冷冽，遊人不多，現場見到一名藏族婦女在布達拉宮前叩頭膜拜，顯示事件的發生並未影響藏民的信仰自由。

幾位在廣場活動的拉薩民眾表示，三月十四日發生的是一起嚴重的打砸搶暴行，引起市民很大憤慨。一位小學生表示，事件發生時很害怕，但現在事情平息，他已經不擔心了。

離開布達拉宮廣場，採訪團的車子繞經青年路一帶，沿途可見在事件中被燒毀的商店，如今還黑壓壓的一片，整條青年路絕大部分商店都拉下鐵門，布達拉宮周邊的其他街頭也都比較冷清。

據瞭解，拉薩東城區是事件最嚴重的地區，目前晚間在重要路段還有交通管制，但是沒有戒嚴。

晚上，拉薩新聞辦在記者下榻的酒店播放事件的紀錄片，其中指出，事件發生時，拉薩八廓街周邊三公里方圓內，打砸搶燒的情況十分嚴重，共造成至少兩百四十多人受傷，並有十八人死亡。

畫面上可以見到喇嘛參加鬧事的鏡頭，以及當時商店被焚，民眾被燒死，地方政府被圍攻的情況，以往未公佈的拉薩清真寺遭到攻擊的畫面，也首度向境外記者披露。

不過，有採訪記者仍想進一步瞭解，為什麼喇嘛要出來鬧事，國新辦人員指出，明天還有進一步的採訪，屆時可以提問，以瞭解更詳細的情形。

整體而言，拉薩市面及人心如今還不算完全安寧，拉薩機場張貼的通緝令，以及主辦單位對本次採訪團的仔細保護，說明了一切。

http://www.cna.com.tw/menu/NewsDetail.aspx?strCatL=CN&strSearchDate=&strNewsID=200803260315&strType=PM

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/27 17:00

According to the "free" media only SOME are allowed to visit. SOME that are hand-picked by the government.

<- back to Mainland now. For last week, I see quite a few police/army (shopping in Macdonald, KFC, or Xin Ke Long just like how the police are in sitting Donut shops and coffee shop in Canada.)

Guangzhou is so peaceful.

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/28 00:54

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-27 17:00 發表
According to the "free" media only SOME are allowed to visit. SOME that are hand-picked by the government.

first ThANKs ,

it's reported that 5 shopkeeping girls were burnt live dead in 'the riot ,

please tell me all these would b only make-up by communists for propaganda of communists ,

cheers ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/28 03:37

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-25 22:18 發表
nice 2 meet u 遊客 221.125.57.x
i`m also a 遊客 used 2...
so welcome to here,and happy to talk with u(以下的文字我尽量用英文来锻炼我自己，不行的话我再用中文）
actually now the rioting is happening ...

first ThANKs ,

>>>>>> after all is over, the gov start to his work
>>>>>> the gov why not allow to open up for an observer so that they can know what is going on.

.1.
it would b better for thee to observe the past tense rules
[[[[[ an integral component ]]]] of english grammar ,

.2.

after all was over, the gov started its work

why the gov not allow to open up for an observer so that they could know what was going on.

cheers sorry ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-28 04:02 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/28 03:57

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-25 22:18 發表
nice 2 meet u 遊客 221.125.57.x
i`m also a 遊客 used 2...
so welcome to here,and happy to talk with u(以下的文字我尽量用英文来锻炼我自己，不行的话我再用中文）
actually now the rioting is happening ...

>>>>>>>>> i dont know all u here have seen the video about or not.

a better version would b : ::::::::::

i dont know whether all of u at here have seen the video about it or not.

'the `````whether'''' is the must-have at here

cheers ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/28 04:16

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-3-26 06:11 發表
>How much of a chaos it will cause with new currency, new diplomatic relationship, and a ultra-sour feeling between the two neighbours. (Chinese is very unlikely to be tolerant about the seperation,) ...

>the next day I switch on the TV.. they are having a "witness" show on how real the Noah's Ark myth is. (IE preaching on TV in Guangzhou)

所以我才說中國何止百年國難。

agree wholly heartily
the Christiannity////Christiannities////Christianities must last forever , 千秋万世恒久 ,
thence ,
中國國難。, would also b correspondingly 千秋万世恒久

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>>>>>>>>> they are having a "witness" show on how real the Noah's Ark myth is.
>>>>>>>>> (IE preaching on TV in Guangzhou)

sorry , the Noah's Ark's myth ......... really not real ?????????

sorry , i'm also 1 of those who have been being brainwashed w/ their evangellistic version via tv ,
sorry , i do still quite believe the Noah's Ark's myth being real history ,
sorry ,

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作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/28 08:27 標題: 回復 64# prussianz 的帖子

As far as I have read it is true. These girls are dead.

Death is part of living. They are only going back to where they begin.

Lets hope that the Chinese government is successful in its crackdown and capture those responsible for the act.

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/28 12:15

http://bbs.sina.com.cn/zt/w/08/attackcnn/index.shtml
OK
2008网络新流行语"做人绝不能CNN“
today i weak up almost 10:00~

hoho~so happy day...
but...so many things...

by the way家教means:home education
in mainland the competition is have already exist in the school when u a little boy
the parents want their child dont lose any little in the battle of surivil.
so after class they pay money to ask some teachers or college students to educat their child.

now i have to work
i`ll being here afternoon,have a break and talk to everybody
really so gald to be here.to meet so many friends

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/3/28 12:30 標題: 回復 69# onlyaaaa 的帖子

嗯。我想內地用語「家教」，應該就是香港人「補習」的意思，在香港也很常見，也是大學生常用賺外快的渠道。

任何地方的人都愛子心切，香港人除了叫子女補習外，在課外活動方面也排得密麻麻的，要學習鋼琴、小提琴、游泳等等。想當年我的生活就簡樸得多了。

作者: Jom 時間: 2008/3/28 23:21

剛從大陸回來,看得見和看不見的情況如下:
- 戒嚴在西藏,但"軟戒嚴"不單在藏區鄰近地區疆雲貴川的手提電話及上網極度延誤,相信某黨在做filter;而各主要機場亦戒備深嚴,有關地區亦多設隨機查問;
- 由新疆得到第一手消息,的而且確這次暴動由若干僧侶(!)發放消息;新疆方面亦有民工早於春節前收到消息,但由於大風雪令很多人滯留外省,故未能發起更進一步的行動及要將事件延後;小弟道聽途說這次行動目的在於奧運前激起/提出借口于外國提出反對大陸人權方面政策.由某不大不小的地方書記證實,事件早於十二月由印度傳來消息,某僧侶跟某國達成協議,引發政治騷亂,從而令各國客戶收拾心情,減少對大陸消費品的需求.希望藉此存留更多資源應付自國的經濟問題,最重要是希望再下一城,能得到某些地區的資源專利權及延遲西北地區的開發,試圖將大陸的"世界工廠"除名;
- 陝甘兩省雖未受波及,但不時見軍隊在各主要公路把守或趕路;
- 事件不但令藏區靡頓,更讓中央對西北及中西北地區策略從整,新勞動法有望延遲/暫緩執行;

非常陰謀論,但觀乎事情發展,看來亦不差已...

作者: 訪客得得b 時間: 2008/3/29 00:00

一切以破壞為手段的行為，即使是以表達意見為目的，都不應獲得支持。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 06:08

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-28 08:27 發表
As far as I have read it is true. These girls are dead.

Death is part of living. They are only going back to where they begin.

Lets hope that the Chinese government is successful in its ...

first ThANKs ,

i do still have
too many
too strong suspicions over 'the issue ,

i have even made up some [[flimsy]] evidences ,
but ,
i dont dare2let 'the cat out of 'the packet////pocket , out @ here i.e. 離教者之家 ,
due2 : ::::::::::
especially @ this very criticcal moment , i do really not want to offend any official up there
who
could ban the net-access from 'the mainland to our 家離教者之家
at their sole discretion////discrettion

cheers sorry ThANKye ,

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 06:23

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-28 08:27 發表
As far as I have read it is true. These girls are dead.

Death is part of living. They are only going back to where they begin.

Lets hope that the Chinese government is successful in its ...

disclaiming declaring : ::::::::::

i do support our government's approaches in 'the case ,

what i want2say 's just only : :::::
i do just want
the xizang's buddhism not sufferring too many bad ,,,,,institutionnal////institutional'''' images

cheers ThANKye

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-28 08:27 發表 [url=redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16113&ptid=1606][/url]
As far as I have read it is true. These girls are dead.

Death is part of living. They are only going back to where they begin.

Lets hope that the Chinese government is successful in its ...

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 06:28

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-25 22:18 發表
nice 2 meet u 遊客 221.125.57.x
i`m also a 遊客 used 2...
so welcome to here,and happy to talk with u(以下的文字我尽量用英文来锻炼我自己，不行的话我再用中文）
actually now the rioting is happening ...

>>>>>>>>> the things about TIBET(i much like use 西藏）

, i 2 = i too = me too
thy humble servant does enjoy to align me with thine over here ,;--^))

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 06:34

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-28 12:15 發表
 http://bbs.sina.com.cn/zt/w/08/attackcnn/index.shtml
OK
2008网络新流行语"做人绝不能CNN“
today i weak up almost 10:00~
hoho~so happy day...
but...so many things...
by the way家教means:hom ...

first ThANKs

>>>>>>>>>> today i weak up almost 10:00~

today i waked/woke up almost 10:00~

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 06:44

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-28 12:15 發表
 http://bbs.sina.com.cn/zt/w/08/attackcnn/index.shtml
OK
2008网络新流行语"做人绝不能CNN“
today i weak up almost 10:00~
hoho~so happy day...
but...so many things...
by the way家教means:hom ...

>>>>>>>>> in mainland the competition is have already exist in the school when u a little boy

in mainland the fierce competition have already existed in the school since u a little boy

a better version would b : :

in mainland the fierce competition have always been waiting for you in the school since u a little boy

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 06:47

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-28 12:15 發表
 http://bbs.sina.com.cn/zt/w/08/attackcnn/index.shtml
OK
2008网络新流行语"做人绝不能CNN“
today i weak up almost 10:00~
hoho~so happy day...
but...so many things...
by the way家教means:hom ...

>>>>>>>>> the parents want their child dont lose any little in the battle of surivil.

the parents want their child wouldnt////not_to lose any little in the battle for survival.

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 06:54

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-28 12:15 發表
 http://bbs.sina.com.cn/zt/w/08/attackcnn/index.shtml
OK
2008网络新流行语"做人绝不能CNN“
today i weak up almost 10:00~
hoho~so happy day...
but...so many things...
by the way家教means:hom ...

first
.1. sorry for executing up too many corrections or suggestions

.2. wouldest thou regard me as ,,,,,,,,,not-giving-face''''''''' to thee ??
if such then i stop my corrections or suggestions forthright !

.3. any curious development in regard to 'the xi-zang case ??

.4. sorry again

cheers ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-29 06:57 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 07:06

原帖由 Jom 於 2008-3-28 23:21 發表
剛從大陸回來,看得見和看不見的情況如下:
- 戒嚴在西藏,但"軟戒嚴"不單在藏區鄰近地區疆雲貴川的手提電話及上網極度延誤,相信某黨在做filter;而各主要機場亦戒備深嚴,有關地區亦多設隨機查問;
- 由新疆得到第一手消 ...

first ThANKs ,

o華 , Jom少 ,
太狗期望,
好狗不见, that ,,,,,好狗'''' => me

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-29 07:15 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 07:30

原帖由 Jom 於 2008-3-28 23:21 發表
剛從大陸回來,看得見和看不見的情況如下:
- 戒嚴在西藏,但"軟戒嚴"不單在藏區鄰近地區疆雲貴川的手提電話及上網極度延誤,相信某黨在做filter;而各主要機場亦戒備深嚴,有關地區亦多設隨機查問;
- 由新疆得到第一手消 ...

我 [[人中]] 以为,
您比个一d 教會o既奸細 lum o左您返去教会tim ,
u know
u'r such a intelligent IN-talent .... maa

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 07:34

原帖由 Jom 於 2008-3-28 23:21 發表
剛從大陸回來,看得見和看不見的情況如下:
- 戒嚴在西藏,但"軟戒嚴"不單在藏區鄰近地區疆雲貴川的手提電話及上網極度延誤,相信某黨在做filter;而各主要機場亦戒備深嚴,有關地區亦多設隨機查問;
- 由新疆得到第一手消 ...

>>>>>>>>> 非常陰謀論,但觀乎事情發展,看來亦不差已...

me agree

the conspiracy's-theory[[陰謀論]] ,'s more-oft'n-than-not , exActly the reality ,

the drama , 's sometimes much less dramatic than the reality ,

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 07:41

原帖由 Jom 於 2008-3-28 23:21 發表
剛從大陸回來,看得見和看不見的情況如下:
- 戒嚴在西藏,但"軟戒嚴"不單在藏區鄰近地區疆雲貴川的手提電話及上網極度延誤,相信某黨在做filter;而各主要機場亦戒備深嚴,有關地區亦多設隨機查問;
- 由新疆得到第一手消 ...

- 戒嚴在西藏,但"軟戒嚴"不單在藏區鄰近地區疆雲貴川的手提電話及上網極度延誤,相信某黨在做filter;

[[人系]] o尼，究境 [[人系]] 边一个黨 gae o尼 ??

由某不大不小的地方書記證實,事件早於十二月由印度傳來消息,某僧侶跟某國達成協議,引發政治騷亂,

'aaaaaaaaa ，究境又 [[人系]] 边一个僧 gae o尼 ?? sorry i'm too stupid ,
couldest thou please teach me ??

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-29 07:46 編輯 ]

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/29 07:50

原帖由 Jom 於 2008-3-28 23:21 發表
剛從大陸回來,看得見和看不見的情況如下:
- 戒嚴在西藏,但"軟戒嚴"不單在藏區鄰近地區疆雲貴川的手提電話及上網極度延誤,相信某黨在做filter;而各主要機場亦戒備深嚴,有關地區亦多設隨機查問;
- 由新疆得到第一手消 ...

新疆方面亦有民工早於春節前收到消息,但由於大風雪令很多人滯留外省,故未能發起更進一步的行動及要將事件延後;

ThANKs again , this piece of news , is absolutly very fresh to me

, mmmmmmmmm

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/3/30 05:34

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-27 17:00 發表
According to the "free" media only SOME are allowed to visit. SOME that are hand-picked by the government.

hi good morning , everybody ,

it does not take me to explain how peaceful the buddhism is ,

but ,
but ,
but ,
how comes that [[[[[xi-zang's]]]] buddhists lost out of control////reins to such a sucking extent
in this case ?????????

为什么 [[[[[xi-zang]]]] 佛教徒会这样失控 nae ?????

有没有什么外国影响 ????

某某饥毒的宗教 , 也许笑爆嘴
某某饥毒的宗教 , 也许这讲笑 : :::::
`````````
您 [[人门]] ,
看看 baa ,
看多点 baa ,
看真点 baa ,
又话佛教是如何如何好好好,
但,
其实, 又只不过是, ,,不外如是''
''''''''' ''''''''' ''''''''' ''''''''' '''''''''

cheers ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-3-30 06:02 編輯 ]

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/31 16:10

thanks~dear prussianz
correct me so many grammer and spell problems

these days i visit the blog written by the friends here
learns more than any before .so i need time to absorb them..

hehe~
for MR DYE what i said is for a litlle joke有点阴谋论在里面，按照你们的说法。其实关于这个事件， the china commuity party seems really have no enough prepare for the riot, even they haven`t enough police and amry to stop the 暴行。 during the riot .though the police didnt die one person .BUT more than 100hurted by 暴乱者 like i said , one policeman`s 臀部的肉被割下了一大块...
and i also said ,its very hard to be the host of china,and the chinese commity party做到这样的程度已经很不容易了。如果你去换作这星球上的任何一个政党，在当初相同的起点相同的环境下，是否也能象共产党一样，带领这么多个中国人走到现在。你要让家里人吃饱（4~14亿），要让家里不闹矛盾。要让家里人不被外面的人欺负，不要让家里的东西被别人拿走。不要让家里人走上歧途，忘记了自己是谁。同时还要发展起家里的经济，自力更生。不要靠别人。最后同时还要时时提高自己的LEVEL和素质。能更好的带领一家人。我想问下，你觉得有哪个政党可以做到这样。是的，我是被从小就框定在一个只许看他们让你看的世界里。但是这个并没有阻止住我去看外面的世界。当我看了外面的世界，相反的我却更觉得我原来的认知是正确的。
我没有否认他们做错的事。“文化，大跃进，六四，政治腐败，落后，所谓的不文明，法律不完善”，我都知道。说中国没有人权，其实在国内的人权并不是外面说的那样。但是知道中国这群革命领导者的最大优点是啥伐，就是事情永远向着前看。
说执政党的坏话会被抓。我来讲我所看到的东西吧。我有段时间在我们上海市市政府大楼里实习。天天有人上访，天天有人在门口骂共产党不是东西。可是没人镇压没人被抓。只是会为了考虑影响而把你请进大楼里去详谈罢了。相反，国外的坏境应该你们比我清楚吧。我就不多说了

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/31 18:32

There are many country that have walk through this road.  Many have succeeded.  China is not the only one.  Communist party have not done particularly well.

Do not forget, China has a lot of natural resources to begin with.  We have coal, we have a lot of irrigated land.  We have woods and we have rivers.  We have roads (even though they are primitive), we have boats, we have a lot of house and buildings.  On the "soft" treasure, we have antique, we have culture, we have Chinese medicine.  My great grandfather for example, has the Chinese skill of "story-telling". Something Westerner do not have.

In the world arena, China has Japanese left over factory and tech.  There is a bit of weapon left over by the Japanese too.  We have Russia (and its bloc) as friends and technical support.  India is initially friendly and serve as a bridge to the other side of the world.  The world is busy after WWII in reconstruction, no one has much of a will to fight anyone.  Japanese has give China a huge sum of charity after WWII (You can also say it is like compensation).  The world economy is recovering from hell before WWII.  China has a VETO in UN.

Do you have cold weather like Canada?  Tundra covering most of your country like Canada?  Do you have a threatening neigbour like US that can conquer your country with little to no strength?  A diverisfied population like Canada with people across the globe (Palestianian, and Jews living side by side?  Greek and Turk living as classmates?  Both fractions of Irish community sitting side by side?)?  A country so depopulated, that it takes hours of traveling to go from one cities to another?

You have to realize most countries do not have that many people.  Having less population create other problems as dire as over-population.  Human power is an assets in and of itself.  With human power, things can get done.  People can make their fortune.  With no human power, nothing gets done and everyone has to live with whatever they start with.

-------------------------------------------------
In Canada, we speak of nationism as a way to create war.  We speak usually of "regionalism".  When a person speak of a home, they usually refer to wherer they live.  A very small place in a very large country.  For example, when I speak of Canada, I refer to central Canada, but not Canada in the artic.  For all I know, I have visit only a very very small part of the country (I have visited all the central and eastern province of Canada, which is about half of the size of China).  I wonder how much of China have you visited?

Only when a person is mongering war do they speak of nationism.  The time when people speak of protecting "my country" against "your country" is also time when our home (a very small place) is never in conflict with each other.

Take the "Fishing Island" China fight with Japan for example, Chinese keep speaking of protecting their "home  country" but how much will it hurt them if they let go of the island when it is not populated at all?  How much would YOUR home gain from trading peacefully with Japan if we sit and coolly discuss the issue?  Most of time, I see them protecting a ideology (nationalism), just like the US citizen.

Sorry, if I need to "remember" who I am, I am only partially Han, and hence partially Chinese.  My blood has a country long lost in history, conquered by Chinese as "barbarian".

Have you realize that the current prosperity occur after communist somewhat let go of their control over the economy (under Tang's command)?  Do you realize that people have and will feed themselves if you leave them alone?  Do you think China has always been in a famine before the communist?  Have you heard that a China feast for a feudal lord during Ch'ing is better than a pricess wedding feast for a European country?

If you wish a comparison in the mordern period, a typical one is India.  There are the truely have-not.  But, it also manage to feed itselves no matter which parties takes over, no?  Is there major famine over there like in China? (Even after China defeated them in battle?  Pakistan seperates and threaten them with nuke under support of China?)

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But they do block people from seeing outside.
a) Getting a VISA is not easy in China.  I have been with the diplomatic group sent out by Chinese government before.  These fellow are so happy to get a passport.

b) The media is censor (looking at TVB from China prove the point)

When they do let you see the world, they block the part they do not wish people to see.  (Watching TVB again, will prove the point)

Just like religion, brainwashing started out in childhood.  My kind of wash is in HK.

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There is an agree upon meaning for Human Rights.  It just do not get re-define everytime in different countries in which ever way they want.  It is stated in UN.

However, Chinese can certainly disagree that people should have them.  (It is perfectly fine.)  Or we can always redefine terms but the world is a pretty large place, things like this is not decided by one or two country.

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Oh, if you protest in Canada, nothing much will happen.  Until you violate the law ofcourse.  As I said, there is (I think 2, one is more like China, the other more like Lenin) communist party in Canada.  You are free to influence others in Canada.  (What is wrong with sharing with others what you think is best for the country?)

There are a lot of "demonstration" in Ottawa.  It is not a news any more.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-31 18:39 編輯 ]

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/31 20:46

HI dear DYE~
i want you to promise me that all what we said is just discuss .and that wont break our friendship OK?

first ,i never say that Communist party done very well. what i said is "it`s hard for him to do things to become what like is now." and i also said that the Communist party really did something that was wrong and hurt the people as well the country.
YES~we have so many traditional culture.we have reasourses.but U know the quality of the coal found in the mainland?
our teacher give us a funny story:你们应该知道中国的官僚主义吧。只注重数据而不注重实际过程中的问题。有次有官员去宝钢集团参观。要求提高钢的成品合格率和提高更多的煤的燃烧热值，并拿出国外的相关数据来比较。结果宝钢的一位工程师当场就进行反驳：人家国外的锅炉吃的什么煤，我们这里吃的是什么煤。人家天天吃的好煤，我们今天吃澳大利亚的煤，明天吃南美的煤，后天是平西的煤，再后天吃窑洞的煤。we just talk about the heating during the burning will make at that lesson.but i take this example is just want to say:YEAH~we looks like have many .but U know how the precentage of the coal in the stone(矿石）.most coal we have is low quality. 1 KW/H power need about 60g coal(foreign coal) but more about 80g(our coal) .and as i know we dont seems like have many oil(油田)we need 西气东输工程。
when i was in middle high school the geogrefic book writen"中国有960万平方公里，幅员辽阔，“地大物博”".now more and more professor suggest that detlete the word "地大物博" cause it take a wrong cenexpt(概念）. and it "brainwash " many chinese time and time(一代代）.

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/31 21:07

and actually i know the japanese loan.every year the JAPAN will loan a huge sum of money to CHINA. but i really dont know when it begin,and i dont think it can began before the OPENING THEROY.
the things about japanese left in CHINA. weapon,is maybe .but factory and tech,is possible?
"We have Russia (and its bloc) as friends and technical support".is ture. but U know how long it last?about 3 years.then they take almost every things back,only left the half consruction and machine not finished.
这里也许用基督教来举例不太合适，但是每一个善意的举动后面都有他自己的利益和目的。日本的技术和工厂，只是为了将供给线造到中国来，用中国人的东西来打你中国人，同时也为了他能更好的统治中国。前苏联，给你技术和支持，为了只是培养一个苏联式的中国，变成一个苏联的亲信国，创建一个苏维埃政权式的中国。你看到了这么多的好处，那你为什么不来看下为什么人家会平白无故给你这么多的好处？
也许你会说民族主义，我承认我有，but i think every common people all will have this a little.

[ 本帖最後由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-31 21:35 編輯 ]

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/31 21:23

Do you have cold weather like Canada? Tundra covering most of your country like Canada? Do you have a threatening neigbour like US that can conquer your country with little to no strength? A diverisfied population like Canada with people across the globe (Palestianian, and Jews living side by side? Greek and Turk living as classmates? Both fractions of Irish community sitting side by side?)? A country so depopulated, that it takes hours of traveling to go from one cities to another?
黑龙江。do canada have 新疆?前苏联，日本，韩国，越南，印度，南亚诸国。dont U think that`s not threaten?(fact prove that they was is and will be)
用加拿大来谈包容性。OK
你可以在youtube search a vedio about TIBET “TIBET was is and always is a part of CHINA"and U will know some history
在这里我想说的是，中国作为一个有5000年历史的国家，一个5000年中不断的分合，不断的征战，不断的吞并和被征服，并且到了现代还能这样的国家。他的民族包容性是其他任何国家所没有办法去比拟的。
u can see how large the map is when in YUAN MING QING DNASTY.about TANG DNASTY no more i should say...

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/31 21:31

above all
U should know i`m a little 民族主义
but not"nationism"
and i hate WAR

my classmates(college)said should fight with TAIWAN
what i said is
”你他妈叫毛的打仗，有本事打仗了你第一个给我冲前线去，没本事就不要在这里象狗一样的叫“
i really said .....:自閉: :自閉: :自閉:

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/31 22:02 標題: 回復 88# onlyaaaa 的帖子

Canada also has a lot of oil.  Oil sand or in the middle of Alantic Ocean.  It is worst than coal.  Canada also has diamond.  Diamond at the bottom of a lake in artic.

Chinese has a proverb that paralle the West:  When there is a will, there is a way.  If Canada can mine the oil sands, build a oil rig in the high sea, and transport diamond on a frozen lake, so can China refine coal.

Why is it that China produce iron ore but buy still from Japan?  Why do China mine silicone but buy their chips from Japan?  I am discussing with my father today:  Why is it that the Japanese are farming on the mountain, when our Chinese counter-partner (my village, live as long as history recorded) is having a difficulty having a harvest on flat piece of land in Gunagdong?

Thing turn dire when the country is unstable (political).  When they sent scholar down the drain during cultural revolution.  When they suppress freedom of speech which hurts the academia, because now they have to think if it is politically correct. For the same reason, Christians censorship earlier in history hurts the academia when everyone must consider if what they are saying is biblically correct.

Curruption also made coorperation on public project difficult.  How much public money has been funneled out of the public project into the pocket of who-knows-where?

State command economy hurts the efficiency of factory.  You may want to check Russian made pen, it is known example of how much it will do to industry tech.  Command economy disadvantage is multi-facet.  People living poor is only one of the effect.  As I oversee the factory, and communicate with the foriegn traders, the sloppiness culture is still a problem in China.

The wound on the pocket can be healed quickly, but the wound at the heart will take time to heal.
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If China do not have so stiff a relationship with the others, foreign investment can go in and build the needed factory to do the job.  The Cultural Revolution that incite riot in foreign country, the Korean War against UN hurts the reputation a lot. (Especially the war China fight with UN. )
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There is a Chinese saying:  I am only hating that I am unable to turn iron ore to steel.

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/31 22:20 標題: 回復 90# onlyaaaa 的帖子

You Tube is not an authority of history in Tibet.  The history I read show that Tibet has not always been part of China.

Will Russia invade China?  You think they are prepare for the local resistance?  Korea?  China has always beat Korea and treated them like a puppet country.  We HAVE done a few massacre to them.  A threat form a weak country like this?  Maybe not.

India is our friend.  They help defend us during WWII by sending materials and keep China from collapsing under Japan for so long.  Besies, we have Hamalaya (and Tibet) inbetween.

The key here is: everyone is exhausted from WWII.  No one really want a war nor are they capable of starting a war.  When they want to fight with China, they are fighting something like 100:1.  Even if they won, it should be costly enough to deter anyone.

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If you speak of tolerance.  Look at my ancestor.  They are SLAVE to the Hans.  Yes SLAVE.  Chinese capture another "Chinese" because they are not Han,

What do they say when the mogol rule China in Yang?  They are barbarian.  They make
laws to segregate different "race" (Han is at the bottom)

The Ching Manchu?  They are barbarian.  They make rules to seperate Han from Manchurian.  Han is not allowed to hold high office.

What about massacre in Yang Zhou by the Manchu?  Yue Fei peom about eating the meat and drinking the blood of the barbarian?

What about the concept of respecting the emperor and hunting down the barbarian (which is later learnt by the Japanese to haunt us as they view as as barbarians)
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Sure, we can read the map of China throughout the dynasty.  For example Qing:

Are we going to invade and conquer the land at the tip of the head to "take" back our land?

Or Ming?

And admit that Tibet is NOT part of China?

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-31 22:30 編輯 ]

作者: onlyaaaa 時間: 2008/3/31 22:21

There is a Chinese saying: I am only hating that I am unable to turn iron ore to steel.~~

I agree,
the communist really do somethings ...
why they found they are wrong after they made the wrong decsion a long time...
i`m so tired...
U know what my 理想before the "things" happened?
live with her
have two babies
日出而作，日落而息，孝敬父母，带好孩子。
然后就这样一直的到老，然后死去，然后下辈子希望自己能早点再认识她，早点再爱上她，早点的再和她在一起。
呵呵~
世事难料啊。
洗洗睡了~
明天我要见我导师去了。。。各位晚安了

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/31 22:46 標題: 回復 94# onlyaaaa 的帖子

There are a lot of wise statemen in China (or any country).  Wen Jia Bao, for example is one.  Deng Xiao Peng is another.  However, they can't know everything.  If all the wise stateman are encouaged and allow to participate in the country's affair, the mistake will be found quickly and corrected.

Democracy (including republic) is not a perfect system.  People in other country knows it.  But it is the best system we have discover so far.  Why?  Because it has a feedback.  The problem of dictatorship is not that it will always have terrible governace (look at the properity during Tang), the problem is that it is incapable of self-correction (hence a tendency to spiral down with one or two mistakes.)

Zi Chan (?) in ancient China knows the importance of feedback and build the first "university" to gather "opinion" from the public (the place is call "University" at the time to "educate" the civil servants).  He also stop minister from procecuting man with critism of the state.

It quickly turns the kingdom of Zheng to a rich country even between the constant threat of Chu and Jin.  (While feeding the population, giving tribute to the 2 superpower at the time, contributing to rule of law, blocking the interferce of internal afffair from Jin or Chu even after his death)

Ok, it is not exactly a democracy, but the 2 major principle is there.  the same can happen in China.  (As I see it)  A democratic China in Communist's name?  (Just like Canada, a secular Canada in Chistian's name.)

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Chu, by the way is a victim of discrimination of Chinese.  Called barbarian, the Chinese always united to fight against them purely because of race.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-31 22:49 編輯 ]

作者: dye 時間: 2008/3/31 23:54

Here is a summary of the situation as described by Chinese

The Chinese History of Tibet
Tibet has been part of China since the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368). Centuries ago Mongol and Manchu Emperors ruled or influenced large parts of Asia. During the Tang period (618-907), the Tibetan King, Songsten Gampo, married Princess Wen Cheng. The Princess is thought to have had alot of influence in Tibet. During the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368), Tibet was part of the Mongol Empire which was under Yuan rule. At this time, the Yuan Government implemented residence registration, levied taxes, and imposed corvee duties in Tibet. China's "White Paper" claims that the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) "replaced the Yuan dynasty in China and inherited the right to rule Tibet." During the Manchu rule (1644-1911), the Qing army on a number of occasions entered Tibet to protect it. Finally, in 1951, China and the Tibetan Local Government signed a 17-point agreement concerning the peaceful liberation of Tibet. During this time, The 14th Dalai Lama supported this liberation and acknowledged Tibet is one part of China.

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As describe by the seperatist:

The Tibetan History of Tibet
Tibet has a recorded history of statehood extending back to 127 B.C. In the seventh to ninth centuries, the Tibetans often bested the Tang dynasty in battle. Additionally, during this dynasty, the marriage of Princess Wen Cheng and King Gampo was viewed as a strategic move to achieve cooperation and peace between Tibet and China. In 821, after centuries of periodic fighting, China and Tibet signed a treaty where boundaries were confirmed, and each country promised respect for the other's territorial sovereignty. During the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368), the Mongol leader, Genghis Khan, conquered most of Eurasia including China. Thus, instead of China claiming a right to Tibet, Mongolia could assert claim to both China and Tibet. There is no historic evidence to support the assumption that the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) ruled Tibet. In fact, the Qing Emperor in 1652 not only accepted The Fifth Dalai Lama as a leader of an independent state, the Emperor also treated Him as a Divinity on Earth. During this period, Tibet was known in Chinese as Wu-si Zang or Wu-si Guo (guo meaning country). During the Manchu rule (1644-1911), the Qing army was asked by Tibetans to settle disputes. But, this does not support China's right to Tibet. If it did, then the U.S.A. should claim Kuwait and Haiti since it assisted these countries. In fact, on a number of occasions, Tibet exercised power over China, suggesting that perhaps Tibet should claim China! At the time of China's invasion in 1949, Tibet possessed all the attributes of an independent country recognized by international law, including a defined territory, a government, tax system, unique currency, unique postal system and stamps, army, and the ability to carryout international relations. Two years later, the 17-point agreement was imposed on the Tibetan Government by the threat of arms after 40,000 PLA troops had already seized Tibetºs eastern provincial capital, Chamdo. The Tibetan delegates were threatened. The seal of the Tibetan Government was forged by Peking. In Tibet, The 14th Dalai Lama could not freely express His disapproval. However, soon after arriving in India, He repudiated this Agreement stating it was "thrust upon the Tibetan Government and people by the threat of arms." If Tibet had always been a part of China, why was there a need for the 17-point agreement? Finally, the Atlas of Chinese History Maps (published by Chinese Social Science Institute in Beijing) depicts Tibet as an independent country that was never part of China at least before 1280.

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I think everyone is in an agreement that Tibet is NOT part of China before Mogolian rule. Since we know that China's history do not begin from Mogol, we can conclude Tibet has not "always" been part of China.

I think the question is always when in history do we draw the line? For example, we can see that Korea is also part of the Mongol emperor more than Tibet. Ming also control it and mingle with its internal affair as Tibet. Qing also control it as much as Tibet.

Do we hence conclude Korea is part of China and set to conquer it too?

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-3-31 23:59 編輯 ]

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/4/1 01:50

原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-31 23:54 發表
Do we hence conclude Korea is part of China and set to conquer it too?

伊拉克就是曾以這個理由攻打科威特。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/4/1 06:46

原帖由 onlyaaaa 於 2008-3-31 16:10 發表
thanks~dear prussianz
correct me so many grammer and spell problems
these days i visit the blog written by the friends here
learns more than any before .so i need time to absorb them..
...

first ThANKs

u'r welcome
you are welcome
thou art welcome

but ,
thy humble servant must still mercilessly crack thee down ,;--^))

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>>>>>>>>> correct me so many grammer and spell problems

corrected me so many grammar and spell problems

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>>>>>>>>> these days i visit the blog written by the friends here

these days i visited the blogs written by the friend
here

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>>>>>>>>> so i need time to absorb them..

'the sentence is 100.000.000% grammaticcally correct ,
but ,
the native english speakers would utter this format : :::::

so it takes me time to absorb them..

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more in comin'[[[[[coming]]]]

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p.s. : ::::: sorry must hit the bed hard asap[[[[[as-soon-as-possible]]]]
although
it must have been too late by now already ,
i do even not have time to respond to My Dear Sir Dye e.t.c. ,

cheers ThANKye

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-4-1 06:51 編輯 ]

作者: dye 時間: 2008/4/1 06:47 標題: 回復 97# 抽刀斷水的帖子

Political leader need to realize that country border is just like life describe by Buddhism.

The first principle of become a Buddha:  Every law in the world is a flux.
(The seccond is a realization that there is no self.  Applying to a country is that there is no country.. but only a temporal composition of people.  Just like a composition of karma and conscious is cmmmon mistaken to be 'self')

It is in a constant flux.  History is ONLY history.  The border should not be determine by hisory but people living on th land today for the reasons they have today.  In the UN charter of human rights, people should have the rights of self determination.

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/4/1 10:39 標題: 回復 99# dye 的帖子

In real, political leader need people to realize that country border is defined by the leader. Also, don't expect any political leader has Buddha's properties.

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