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作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/7 17:25 標題: 教會新移民安居樂業踏板

人在異鄉倍思親做彌撒、聽講經和鄉親聚會交流……聖誕節初體驗好溫馨

【本報多倫多訊】昨天聖誕節，教堂的鐘聲在多倫多各處敲響。不少來自華人新移民昨天走進教堂，他們不僅到教堂做彌撒，而且也到教堂尋求關愛和幫助。教會，成為許多新移民在此安居樂業的第一塊踏板。

位於士嘉堡、北約克的多家華人基督教會在聖誕節期間都安排許多活動。內容包括牧師講經、唱讚美詩、文藝表演、聚餐等。數百位新移民參加了這些活動。他們中不少人是第一次在加拿大過聖誕節。

年初從福建移民來的姜妍昨天說，在國內時就聽人說加拿大的教會樂意幫助人。來多倫多以後，她便留意華人教會的情況。

前不久，碰到本地華人基督教教會的教友，一番交談後，雙方都有緣分的感覺，於是她成為此教會的一員。

當聖誕節臨近，姜妍的心情即好奇也有一點恐懼。因為是第一次在加拿大過聖誕節，他很想知道北美人怎樣過這個一年中西方最大節日的；但由於自己在這裡無親無故，認識的人有限，在喜慶的節日裡也難免備加寂寞。

幸好教會的朋友安排了豐富的活動。平安夜裡，教會有演出、聚餐，之後大家到教友家聚會、聊天；聖誕節，大家又到教會聽講經，然後聚會交流。姜妍與許多新來的移民都覺得這個聖誕過得充實又快樂。

在教會做義工多年的趙力峰表示，新移民初來乍到，他們在多倫多的各方面都需要人幫助。加上絕大部分新移民在此都沒有親人，因此一旦碰到不順利的情況，很容易出現情緒波動。

他說，教會的工作就是幫助這些新移民度過難關，從而適應加拿大的生活。另一位教會義工陸淑芬也認為，教會是一個大家庭，有助於新移民排遣寂寞。

在士嘉堡華堅華人基督教教會有一個大陸組，成員有超過百人，大多為來加定居在三年之內的新移民。

在聖誕節，此教會大陸組的成員也像往年一樣聚在一起，每家人帶來自己做的一、兩味家鄉風味菜點，大家圍坐在一起，邊吃邊談，氣氛熱鬧而又親近。

組裡的成員年年有所不同，有的新移民工作生活穩定後，就不再來參加活動了（抽按：醒目！ ）；但總是又有新的移民加入進來。

2007-12-26

http://www.worldjournal.com/wj-to-news.php?nt_seq_id=1645218

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/7 21:24 標題: 回復 1# 的帖子

唔啱！工作生活穩定後仍然參加教会活動嘅新移民更為醒目。
蓋天有不測風雲，人有旦夕禍福，居安思危 -- (居安思危，思則有備，有備無患《左傳‧襄公十一年》)
今雖工作生活穩定，但難保日後不會lay off，如果工作生活穩定後，就不再來參加活動，則好易被教友睇穿您係利用教會的network揾著數，一旦要再揾第份工，便很可能得不到教友的熱心協助。所以，只係「有的」新移民工作生活穩定後，就不再來參加活動，而有的更醒目新移民工作生活穩定後，就仍会再來參加活動

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/8 01:03 標題: 回復 2# 的帖子

>>>> 唔啱！工作生活穩定後仍然參加教会活動嘅新移民更為醒目

in my own humble opinion ,
the most 醒目 is 'the churches ,
they'r much more 醒目 + creative than my guestimation ,

>>>> 人在異鄉倍思親
>>>> 做彌撒、聽講經和鄉親聚會交流……
>>>> 聖誕節初體驗好溫馨

>>>> 人在異鄉倍思親
they do really know where'r 'the ``markets" , + ,
they do 'the caterring just great ,
no such thing or even concept in buddhism nor taoism e.t.c.

i cant help but must admit : :::::
the churches -----> 醒目 very 醒目

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-8 01:04 編輯 ]

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/8 01:36 標題: 回復 3# 的帖子

No, pal, the truth is: they do stupid things in a smart way.

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/8 09:59 標題: 回復 2# 的帖子

傻啦，浪費咁多時間。

假如真的一旦被lay off，到時就扮哂內疚咁，話以前疏於返教會是罪，貪於逸樂，以後都勤力返教會，七情上面，牧師一定會心軟既（唔心軟都要扮心軟

）。

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/8 10:31 標題: 回復 5# 的帖子

唔得嘅。佢係扮心軟，但又特登介紹唔到工俾您，一味叫您多啲祈禱，咪盞混吉。一於聽我勸，返教會霸住個位，以免無知小朋友坐咗，咁就助人助己，一舉兩得，何樂不為？

作者: weakest 時間: 2008/1/8 12:09 標題: 回復 6# 的帖子

牧師本身係工la. 仲要幾好paid tim...

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/8 14:06 標題: 回復 6# 的帖子

篇文無講話教會會介紹工作既喎，只係「有助於新移民排遣寂寞」咋。

同時，你坐左個位，你估就可以令無知小朋友無位坐咩？佢地一見有八、九成滿座，就立即再植堂啦。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/8 16:04

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-8 09:59 發表
傻啦，浪費咁多時間。

假如真的一旦被lay off，到時就扮哂內疚咁，話以前疏於返教會是罪，貪於逸樂，以後都勤力返教會，七情上面，牧師一定會心軟既（唔心軟都要扮心軟）。 ...

ThANKs4teaching ,
u render me immediatly smarter than those smartest churches ,
very useful 4 me in canada e.t.c.

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/8 16:15

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-8 12:09 發表
牧師本身係工la. 仲要幾好paid tim...

oyes
o yes ,
the clergymen//clergywomen//clergypersons of my [left] churches did stress
their pay being lower than that of outside ,

but ,
then , i delved deeper out ,
their salaries were `````````low"""""""" in comparson with that of internationnal big corps located in hk ,
e.g. : ::::: I.B.M.

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-8 20:26 編輯 ]

作者: weakest 時間: 2008/1/8 19:40 標題: 回復 10# 的帖子

they were indeed comparing their own with that of the internationnal big corporations located in hk ,
e.g. : ::::: I.B.M.

You mean some high-level management positions in these multinational companies?

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/8 20:21 標題: 回復 11# 的帖子

>> You mean
>> some high-level management positions in these multinational companies?

head2head ,
peer2peer ,
i.e.
same level to same level ,
e.g. : :::::
chairperson2chairperson e.t.c. ,
clerk2clerk ....

any query please dont hesitate2let me know right away

cheers ThANKye , pendragon

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作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/8 22:09

原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-8 20:21 發表
>> You mean
>> some high-level management positions in these multinational companies?

head2head ,
peer2peer ,
i.e.
same level to same level ,
e.g. : :::::
chairperson2chairperson e.t.c. ,
clerk2c ...

in order to b fair to them ,
so ,
i must make it clear that : :::::
my figures came from year 199x , but , must b4 year 1998
+
i have left the churches quite a long time ago , thence ,
i dont know their current pay ,
sorry4inconveniency

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-8 22:41 編輯 ]

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/9 10:24 標題: 回復 13# 的帖子

不如你分享一下你的信教及離教經歷，讓各位都了解你的思路歷程吧。

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/9 11:01

its quite a tall + ``tall" tale ,
+
a pain in the ass.

,
should i have time then o k ,

i wish i could type in chinese , what a shame that i cant type it

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/9 12:35

原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-8 20:21 發表
>> You mean
>> some high-level management positions in these multinational companies?

head2head ,
peer2peer ,
i.e.
same level to same level ,
e.g. : :::::
chairperson2chairperson e.t.c. ,
clerk2c ...

1-position-which-i-didnt-or-indeed-couldnt-delve-into 's 牧師 ,

u know ,
there's no any such position as `````牧師"" iin the private commercial jobs markets ,

but ,
the pay of ``牧師" may b comparable to that of ````````` old師""""

.... o k ..... 老師教師 ,

what i mean really , is : :::::
the pay of ``牧師" may b comparable to that o'[of ] ....
教師 , in hk's government schools e.t.c. ,
教師 , in hk's government schools e.t.c. ,

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/9 12:44 標題: 回復 15# 的帖子

Please... write in English and let me help to translate it.

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/9 12:54

原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-8 20:21 發表
>> You mean
>> some high-level management positions in these multinational companies?

head2head ,
peer2peer ,
i.e.
same level to same level ,
e.g. : :::::
chairperson2chairperson e.t.c. ,
clerk2c ...

its rumoured that : :::::
some church may provide some kinds of `````performance-fees"""" or similar incentive schemes ,
right ??
sorry i cant confirm whether true or false , any evidence or counter-evidence ????
sorry ,
at the time
when
i was in church ,
i was in a junior level ,
so ,
sorry ,
i couldnt have any access to the transparency of their labours-payment-structures

disclaiming note !!!!!!!!! : :::::
even some church may really provide the `````performance-fees"""" or similar incentive schemes ,
but ,
that phenomen may b just only the affair////business done by that particular church only ,
i.e.
not every church may engage in such business .........
vice versa 2[too]
vice versa 2[too]

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-10 03:35 編輯 ]

作者: weakest 時間: 2008/1/9 18:46 標題: 回復 18# 的帖子

In the rumour heard, is the "performance" counted by the number of people who newly join the chruches?

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/10 00:54

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-9 18:46 發表
In the rumour heard, is the "performance" counted by the number of people who newly join the chruches?

sorry not know ,
i was too junior then , + ,
they appeared not enjoying to talk it more ,

i have even completly completely forgotten this rumour ,
but ,
ThANKs2God

ThANKs2God's Amazing Grace

your
>>>> 牧師本身係工la.
>>>> 仲要幾好paid tim...

awakenned
me
blastingly , ThANKye

this may b the so-called yun-fan //// yuan-fen //// co-incident so called by Chinese ,
oNo !!!!;--^)
no !;--^)
that must b God's Amazing Grace

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作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/10 01:31

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-9 12:44 發表
Please... write in English and let me help to translate it.

first pre-ThANKye , should i have time ....

now , your humble servant must first tackle the struggle 4 my it-undertaking survival

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/10 11:07

by 'the way ,

does any1 have any idea
of the current pays
or the current situations
of the current jobs markets
of a typical church ??
??

any wind of the rumoured ````` performance fee """" or any other similar
incentive scheme ??
??

sorry + shame on me again 4 cant type in Chinese

cheers ThANKye pendragon

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-10 11:24 編輯 ]

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/10 20:18 標題: 回復 22# 的帖子

No idea....

單單論薪金並不能了解真實情況，因為有許多津貼、隱形交易等，都沒有入賬。

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/10 21:50

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-7 22:06 發表
篇文無講話教會會介紹工作既喎，只係「有助於新移民排遣寂寞」咋。

同時，你坐左個位，你估就可以令無知小朋友無位坐咩？佢地一見有八、九成滿座，就立即再植堂啦。 ...

佢地介紹份工，等您唔駛坐享屋企咁寂寞嘛。

冇錯，就係要令到佢地有可以再植堂嘅錯覺，無啦啦消耗彈药。

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/11 09:56

原帖由沙文於 2008-1-10 21:50 發表
冇錯，就係要令到佢地有可以再植堂嘅錯覺，無啦啦消耗彈药。

無消耗彈藥架喎。你估教會內咁多人都係誠心向神既咩？好多都係各懷鬼胎架啦。

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/11 10:00 標題: 回復 25# 的帖子

咁咪啱囉。您又懷鬼胎，佢又懷鬼胎，各自消耗懷神胎嘅彈藥

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/11 10:07 標題: 回復 26# 的帖子

咁個教會／牧師既鬼胎咪係：拿，都咁多人信啦，個個坐哂係度咯，證明係好野黎架！

然後，一路再植堂，一路喊窮，咪好似宜家咁囉。

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/11 11:22

咁樣並唔係此策的錯喎，係啲牧師唔肯將人工攞埋去植堂，以至教堂長期不敷應用之嘛

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/11 12:41 標題: 回復 28# 的帖子

自古殘民以自肥者，不計其數啦，此乃人性之表現。

作者: weakest 時間: 2008/1/11 17:51 標題: 回復 28# 的帖子

No la. If the 牧師肯將人工攞埋去植堂, there would be no excuse for the chruches to喊窮 (since the expenditures on the wages would be greatly reduced). Therefore, 牧師唔肯將人工攞埋去植堂 is simply a way to increase the donation received, and thus make more chruches (and more wages) available...

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/11 20:41

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-11 10:07 發表
咁個教會／牧師既鬼胎咪係：拿，都咁多人信啦，個個坐哂係度咯，證明係好野黎架！

然後，一路再植堂，一路喊窮，咪好似宜家咁囉。

o yes

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/11 20:53

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-11 17:51 發表
No la. If the 牧師肯將人工攞埋去植堂, there would be no excuse for the chruches to喊窮 (since the expenditures on the wages would be greatly reduced). Therefore, 牧師唔肯將人工攞埋去植堂 is simply a w ...

>> Therefore,
>> 牧師唔肯將人工攞埋去植堂
>> is simply a way
>> to increase the donationreceived, and thus make more chruches (and more wages) available...

>> to increase the donationreceived, and thus make more chruches (and more wages) available...
>> to increase the donationreceived, and thus make more chruches (and more wages) available...

realsmart ,

------------------
by 'the way,
your comment's also

realsmart ,

ThANKye

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/11 20:57

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-11 17:51 發表
No la. If the 牧師肯將人工攞埋去植堂, there would be no excuse for the chruches to喊窮 (since the expenditures on the wages would be greatly reduced). Therefore, 牧師唔肯將人工攞埋去植堂 is simply a w ...

>> Therefore,
>> 牧師唔肯將人工攞埋去植堂
>> is simply a way
>> to increase the donationreceived, and thus make more chruches (and more wages) available...

,
ye have made a point out , which i do also want to for so long , but could not verbally ,
ThANK ye

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/11 21:20 標題: 回復 29# 的帖子

本來佢地係supposed to be咁樣嘛。連人工都唔收，用來植堂，餓X死咗個牧師。咁，就表示其教義真正偉大、捨己為人。但係，點估得到佢地係依循人性，而非神性，顧住自己食飯而不惜令植堂有所延遲喎？

作者: 抽刀斷水 時間: 2008/1/12 11:50 標題: 回復 34# 的帖子

天主教的陳日君好像真的不用出糧，乜都食亞公的就是。

作者: weakest 時間: 2008/1/12 12:03 標題: 回復 34# 的帖子

According to the Christian belief, there will be a heaven for those believers. Therefore, ask the donators to donate all income and 餓X死咗the donators 先算"捨己為人". Since 餓唔X死咗個牧師 means that the 牧師"捨己" (by deferred entry to heaven) "為人" (the make the donators to go to heaven earlier...)

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/12 14:54

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-12 12:03 發表
According to the Christian belief, there will be a heaven for those believers. Therefore, ask the donators to donate all income and 餓X死咗the donators 先算"捨己為人". Since 餓唔X死咗個牧師 means that ...

after a long while , then , finally , i could crack out your meaning ,
o yes ,
very funny , ThANKye ,

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/12 16:25

4u2 laugh

pre-note : :::::
the RCG =
the RESTORED CHURCH OF GOD

the subject of 'the following ``order" : :::::
``````````
End All Your FINANCIAL WORRIES """""""""

http://www.thercg.org/books/eayfw.html
>>>> End All Your FINANCIAL WORRIES
[[.....]]
>>>>Who Really
>>>>Owns
>>>>Everything?
[[.....]]
>>>>God says,
>>>>“For all the earth is Mine”
>>>>(Ex. 19:5).
[[.....]]
>>>>“with all that therein is” (Deut. 10:14) and
>>>>“whatsoever is under the whole heaven is Mine”
>>>>(Job 41:11).
[[.....]]
>>>>In a sense,
>>>>God is saying that all money is His
>>>>God owns absolutely everything there is to own.
[[.....]]
>>>>Human beings are
>>>>“squatters” on His land and
>>>>“renters” in homes that belong to Him.
[[.....]]
>>>>Any time He wishes,
>>>>God could take back all that is His.
>>>>After all, it is His!
>>>>This includes your income.
>>>>While you may have “earned it,” God owns it.
[[.....]]
>>>>We have proven that
>>>>our entire income
>>>>(salary, wages, interest earned, investments, bonuses, commissions
>>>>and any other kind of financial increase)
>>>>actually belongs to God.

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作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/12 16:29

原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-12 16:25 發表
4u2 laugh

pre-note : :::::
the RCG =
the RESTORED CHURCH OF GOD

http://www.thercg.org/books/eayfw.html
>>>>Who Really
>>>>Owns
>>>>Everything?
[[.....]]
>>>>God says,
>>>>“For all the eart ...

there4 ,

in Gods names
4 God sakes
i suggest .... indeed this time exxxtremly exxxtremely strongly
i order
all you must MUST donate
all your $$$$$$$$$ to our AllMighty God's loyal servants , i.e. churches + pastors e.t.c.
right away straightly
immediatly
immediately , otherwise , woe unto all u ,
http://www.thercg.org/books/eayfw.html
>>>> Christ said,
>>>> “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
[[....]]
>>>>(Matt. 23:23).

http://www.thercg.org/books/eayfw.html
>> Any time He wishes,
>> God could take back all that is His.
>> After all, it is His!
>> This includes your income.
>> While you may have “earned it,”
>> God owns it.
[[.....]]
>> Everything that you think you own is actually owned by God.
>> You are merely its temporary custodian.

;P
so ,
sorry ,
this is not to donate your $$$$$$$$$ to churches e.t.c.
this is just to ----r----e----t----u----r----n----
back
what
originnally belong to our God ,
all originnally belong to our God ,
all belong to our God , ;P

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作者: weakest 時間: 2008/1/12 21:55 標題: 回復 38# 的帖子

"Woe to those caught not paying them! Interest, penalties and even prison can be the result for those guilty of tax evasion. But in doing this, people have disobeyed not only the laws of the land but also God’s plain instruction. So then, taxes are an undisputed fact of life for most people on earth." (from http://www.thercg.org/books/eayfw.html)

No wonder why Christianity is so respected by the government...

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/13 02:53

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-11 20:03 發表
According to the Christian belief, there will be a heaven for those believers. Therefore, ask the donators to donate all income and 餓X死咗the donators 先算"捨己為人". Since 餓唔X死咗個牧師 means that ...

未得。咁assets呢？

作者: weakest 時間: 2008/1/13 04:08 標題: 回復 41# 的帖子

In principle, any assets could be converted into a series of income. What you need is a discount factor that could convert a series of income into a "present value" (and vice versa). Therefore, people could sell all their assets, and donate the income also.

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/13 05:01

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-13 04:08 發表
In principle, any assets could be converted into a series of income. What you need is a discount factor that could convert a series of income into a "present value" (and vice versa). Therefore, people ...

i enjoy it

作者: prussianz 時間: 2008/1/13 05:47

http://www.thercg.org/books/eayfw.html
>>>>“whatsoever is under the whole heaven is Mine”
>>>>(Job 41:11).
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so ,
your lives ,
your bodies , e.t.c. ,
yours all should also be donated to
our AllMighty God's loyal servants , i.e. pastors e.t.c. ,

so ,
in Gods names ,
4 Godsakes ,
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if .... the Christians would be really so much dedicated2God ,
then .....
all male Christians should send themselves voluntarily instantly to
iraq +
afghanistan
to preach Christiannity ,
just as what those korean Christians did
@ afghanistan
@ year2007
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if .... those korean male Christians dare do ,
then .....
those chinese male Christians should be more to
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.... mmmm , those korean male Christians really being so able to ,
but .....
the chinese male Christians not so true !!?

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the chinese male Christians not as able as korean male Christian ??

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by 'the way ,
even in afghanistan or iraq ,
our AllMighty God
must be able to protect them to come back home with the ,,whole-body''
just as those male korean Christians returning from afghanistan to korea

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-13 06:03 編輯 ]

作者: 沙文 時間: 2008/1/13 05:53

原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-12 13:47 發表
 >>>> End All Your FINANCIAL WORRIES
[[.....]]
>>>>Who Really
>>>>Owns
>>>>Everything?
[[.....]]
>>>>God says,
>>>>“For all the earth is Mine”
>>>>(Ex. 19:5).
[[.....]]
>>>>“with all that therein is” (Deut. 10:14) and
>>>>“whatsoever is under the whole heaven is Mine”
>>>>(Job 41:11).

>>>>“whatsoever is under the whole heaven is Mine”
>>>>(Job 41:11).

Won't work.

I can borrow from Him.

作者: 匿名 時間: 2011/5/7 23:34

基督教又洗腦了許多無辜的人
教會就是這樣先給予好的印象之後在慢慢洗腦

作者: greenboy0825 時間: 2011/6/12 11:53

人在異鄉倍思親做彌撒、聽講經和鄉親聚會交流……聖誕節初體驗好溫馨

【本報多倫多訊】昨天聖誕節，教堂 ...
抽刀斷水發表於 2008/1/7 17:25

適應異鄉生活總是需要一些時間及努力的..

歡迎光臨離教者之家 (https://exchristian.hk/forum/)