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What I mean is:

At the end of the day,

We play PS2 made by China, designed by Japanese
Sony TV made by China, designed by Japanese.
On the street, the trucks are made by China, designed by Japanese.
We love Japanese car because it fit our body size, it fits our crowded road.

Japanese import our food, and love our Lai Chi.  They import our iron and refine them to top grade steel for the building we live in, the car we drive, etc.

We like their goods because they are comparatively great.  They like ours because ours is comparativly cheap.

Their management model is well adapted to Asian culture.  We learn the modernity from them, they learn our ancient wisedom from the past.

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ALL these will be gone if we have a war with them.   Some of it will be gone if our relationship is sour enough.  At minimum trust and a buffer zone, the environment on the island will face total destruction. (public goods is usually abused)

If we can stop the ideologue and get to the ground, we should see how silly it has been all along?

When two brothers fight (China and Japan or Taiwan or many Asian countries), only the lawyer (aka USA) win.
AOL is the only ISP in US?  AOL is government controlled?

If it is a public company, it is market force you are against, not government.

If there is enough demand for mainland websites, AOL will have to open up by the order of their stock holder.
The size of UK arm force in total: around 429k people (including Territorial Army)
Regular army : 100k

Compare:
War with UN/South Korea in Korea (tie) Chinese lost anywhere from 152k to 422k life.  

1078 death for UK in this particular war.  

100 times.  Chinese lost (to 4 times) the whole UK regular army in a single war.

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You are free to start your own company.

Access to information is a service that require resources to obtain.  It is NOT part of your freedom.

If they really have you give you the service at a lost, you will have just robbed their freedom.
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Search your pocket, you have money too.  You just do not have enough to buy the stuff you like.

If you have a market, you can create the next telecom tycoon (or you can join one existing and exert your influence)

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"Remember, they had McArthur to aid them back then, we don't."

McArthur to sit on top of their government?  I thought Chinese WANT to be rule by Chinese.

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"Nope, most wars we are talking about today (if feasible) are regional wars for natural resources. And in fact, nuclear war will be very unlikely even if Japan invaded China again. (Though the fundies in US? Well ... now I'm worrying if McCain gets up there)"

If your family member is dead in the war, how is that still a war of natural resources?
How is the government going to escape the scandal when they have LOST they rightful territory (they believe) AND life of its citizen, miltary AND civilian (in thousands)?

They will be pushed into using extreme measure just as they have in WWII.

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"Dude, there's a limit of natural resources and maximum possible production on the economical presumptions."

Actually no.

If two country trade, the possible production maximum raise on both side.  THe greater the trade, the higher the max.  Technology also raise the max every day (to infinity in long run)

"And considering how much China invested on foreign going students and how many of them became missioners and in term screwed science in their own country, NO, I'm pretty in distrust in the central government on this issue - they're over confident with the effects."

In economic/science, you consider the alternative.

IF they do not send, there will be 0 return.  They will have to reinvent the wheel at home.
If they do, even if only 1 in a 100 return, they still have one.

Labour is very cheap in China anyway. The hundred people that is sent is only small change to China.
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Take a look at Africa today.  South Africa for example.  Compare to the close up country like.. Somolia.  Check the difference yourself.

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Is the suffering caused by Qing?  Or the business that flow into the country?

Why is it that when HK is taken over by the British, the CHINESE flouish as much as the Bristish?

Just because both side is Chinese, does not mean they will deal fairly.  Where do you think those 'fake' baby food, 'fake' soy sauce, 'fake' beef come from?
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"Basic" exactly the point.  
You notice that your city is connected to other city with no country border?

You know technology can flow quite freely within a country but not so freely between country (even between China and HK)  Pick for example, Any Lau (HK) almost get jail for learning a XiChuan arts techique.

How do you plan to conduct a reserch when you cannot get a hand on your research subject?  I think you over romantize the researching field.  Their are a lot of 'footies' in the field doing work to support the dudes in the city,
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Sorry, you do not seems to understand that you do not need a product to earn a buck.

US earn their buck by service, so is HK, so is most of the richest countries today.

You do not need to produce anything to sell because HK is a marketplace for both product and ideas.  A 'hui' as in 'Tai Po Hui' in traditional Chinese sense, and the village consider to be a 'hui' typically has very good transportation but not much production.
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HK commerce school is top ranking in the WORLD.  You cannot expect a commerce student to be well verse in science, just as you can't expect a science student to be well verse in commerce.
"WRONG. If our colonial left behind government has the least amount of responsibility to abandon Noah's Ark (which is 800 million government money) and give that to Science, it can fund at most 100 basic plasma physics research projects."

Is it when the British are around?  Or when he Bristish left and the Chinese is operating their system?  Are we going to blame every fault that happen 50 years from 1997 to UK?

The city is a commerce city, typical fellow has a culture of commerce.  If it promise to earn a buck .... (Con artist industry is still an industry.  Expect income from tourist?  It is just like opening a casino.)  

This kind of bullsh-t will have a hard time happening in Beijing because of all the technocrate up there.  It will hurt the eyes of our engineer-turn-premier.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-4-16 10:49 編輯 ]
"Simple natural resource limit: Fossil fuels, amount of jungle you can chop down, water resource ... (list goes on)"

Fossil fuel:  
Replace part of it by solar power, hydro power, biomass power
Better design cars and engine
Better design roads

All these will extend the fossil fuel limit (eventually what you want is not the fuel, but the activity driven by the fuel)

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Jungle can be replanted, better cutting technique, better contruction methods, going electronic (instead of paper), etc

All these will extend the Jungle limit (eventually what you want is not the jungle, but the activity driven by the jungle)

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Water resource: we can have more dams, better water management with recycle water, water efficiency scheme, at worst, we have desalination plant, etc

All these will extend the water reources limit (eventually what you want is not the water, but the activity driven by the water)
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The common theme here that TRADE will help is efficiency if goods is traded.  

The other common theme here is innovation that can come if ideas are TRADED.
With a couple company's headquarter sitting in the city?  A lot of people can be fed.

Not to mention all the management team, little accountant, marketing team, market researcher.  Then we will have people that manage the logistic of all the survival essemtials (food water)

Then we will need the technician for the telephone conference, video conference.  We need exhibition specialist...

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You may notice a lot of great city is at the finance hub of the region.  For example, Guangzhou of Guangdong region.  For example, Shanghai of southern China.  For example Vienna of Italy.  For example, Hamburg/Frankfurt of Germany.  Mumbai/Bombay of India.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-4-16 19:48 編輯 ]
Japan also sign unequal treaty when they first met the missionary/army.  Yet they are able to rebound and kick Russian butt not long after.

Whereas before the sign those treaty and open the border, their hot headed nationalist can fire cannon all they like to the foreigner's ship and get defeated with ease.

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How is it that Qing get kicked over and over again?  The difference, is in the government.

The opening is the good move in and of itself, but it is not a magic bullet and need follow up by the government.

Besides, Qing has only open the border partially to the foriegner... (China has a lot of inland city that is inheritly difficult to open up physically)

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Hk has free press too.  If you wish to critisize Christian, you will not be arrested.

But if you want to be obscene...  well, China also ban obscene materials too.  It is a cultural thing.

If you want to say you do not have the money to do so, why not earn a buck?
Top
1) industry:import export trade
2) Real estate and businesss service
3) Whole sales and retail trade
Bottom

Two kinds of activity dominate the economic activity of HK today
1) Service
2) Finance

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-4-16 20:35 編輯 ]

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Obscene material IS censored in China.  It has a board to do that (religion or not).  You will not find Adult Video playing at night like what people have in US.  

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You want a bet?  I critisize Christian openly in a restaurant in HK, nothing happen.

Don't be paranoid.
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US is lobbying China to protect its environment for example.  None did?
As prices goes up, the market force made eople do it, and it HAS happened before.

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You can't buy UKs boat without a few pounds in the pocket. You do not get a few pounds in the pocket until you trade.

Did Japan stop the trading after they defeated Russia and close up to  cacoon again?  Hell NO!

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While trade may lead the con-artist in, trade do not neccessary means foreign con-artist will flood the market.

People will make choice.  Those who need a heaven will pick their favorite artist (political or religion).

When is the last time you heard people refusing to open door for their guest because they are afraid that the wolves will come in?

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-4-17 09:00 編輯 ]
Chicargo begin as a trading hub of  Algonquian peoples.  The rivers make it a transportation hub.

LA is also a trading hub for the native tribe. (For raw material)

Frankfurt is also on an important trade route in the past.  It is cheaper for goods to pass through Franfurt than around it.

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By the logic, HK is also a great city, is it also an academic center?

Where is the great city of Waterloo even though it has invented the blackberry you use?

The trading is the cause, science is the result.  If you have science without trade, you have Waterloo/Kitchener.

If you have trading without science, you have HK.  You can buy in the technology needed.  

(Science is not profitable until they are turn into technology, technology is not profitable until they are properly marketed)

It is interesting to know the property of steam (science).   It has a potential to be profitable when someone build the steam engine (technology).  But it will only be profitable if someone would use it (marketing).

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-4-17 09:27 編輯 ]
OECD, academic stand of HK (15 years old, 2003)

Mathematics (rank 1)
Science (rank 3)
Problem solving (rank 3)

(15 years old, 2006)
Mathematics (Rank 3)
Science (Rank 2)
Reading (rank 3)
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FT EMBA ranking of school (2007)

Rank 1.  HKUST (rising from 3)
Rank15  Chinese University of HK

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Science is only one section of education
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Income equality

HK Gini 43.4
US Gini 40.8
China 46.9
Canada 32.6
Denmark 24.7 (top ranking)

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-4-25 09:37 編輯 ]
Please note the the freedom to speak also allow for people not to agree.

I can certain sell anti-Christian shirt.  But the market is so small.  If you are willing to give me the deposit to do so(ie, you need to buy them first), I will be happy to sell those on the street.  

Look, Step. King. is still alive after distributing ex-christian name card on the street.  The Buddhist nuns are moving safely everyday around the place.

Don't be paraniod.

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The censorship board in HK is not officialy a religious entity.  If you wish to change it, you are allow to participate.  Why aren't non-religious participating?  Arbitary?  It has a guideline list in the law.  Obscenity is inheritly subjective.  

The objective is to protect the mass from seeing what they do not wish to see (at bottomline).  Do you really wish to see blood and gore video on the street?  Or adult video openly showing on the big screen outside Longham Plaza?  

For the thousands of cases it handles, so far so good, but not perfect.  If you think the children need not be protected from obscene material, you also have a right/duty to participate in the law making.  At the moment from the survey (real life), the opinion I see is that the board is not 'strict' enough.

Compare with the board in China, it is simply a tool of government.  If the government official is religious, it will be religious.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-4-25 09:53 編輯 ]
When 2 country trade without barrier, the price will balance out with difference only reflecting the risk and transportation.

It is quite the opposite.  Only when country is not trading openly that there will be a major price difference across the board.  

Then again, it is still risk and transportation.  Risk of smuggling and transportation cost of smuggling.  You can ban it all you like, but tech will leak as long as there is enough demand... Just like those medicine 'stolen' to India.

What happen when they ban weed in Canada, a whole section of the polie force get bribed into the business.  What happen in the old time when they ban alcohol in US?  A whole business of smuggling flourishes.
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As long as the trade is free and the society is stable/lawful, coorporation will move to place with the lowest cost.  They will provide training/education/health care to their worker as it increase the company competitiveness.  Besides, it is also good PR.

If one company act like a fundie and refuse, the next will do it.  The fundie will be placed in a disadvantage quickly.
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Speaking of business, as you are so interested, let get it to action.  Buy 1000 jeans with anti-Christian logo printed on it is only around USD7.00-9.00/pc, HKD55-70/pc.

Go ahead, place an order and pay 100% deposit.  

I am willing to sell it on the street if you pay me further for retail.  Say, HKD20k/month + all the overheads/startup.

If not, I will also be willing to wear one on the street for free.

PS, I do not wear material with unhealthy message and/or obscenity.
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