dye

Both Yellow River and Yangtze river seems to originate from Qinghai.

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Rather, Tibet is the source of important rivers for Pakistan, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, etc.

If holding the upstream of a river is threat enough for occupation, a lot can rightful attempt an invasion to China because it threaten their national security.

dye

Strange, no matter wiki, or baidu I check, Yellow River and Yangtse River has a description like this:

黄河（Yellow River）：全长5600公里，流域面积752，443 平方公里，是中国境内仅次于长江的河流，它发源于青海省巴颜喀拉山，成“几”字形流经青海、四川、甘肃、宁夏、内蒙古、陕西、山西、河南及山东九个省。

源于青海省巴颜喀拉山

长江的北源沱沱河出自青海省西南边境唐古拉山脉雪山，与长江南源当曲会合后称通天河；南流到玉树县巴塘河口以下至四川省宜宾市间称金沙江；宜宾以下始称长江，扬州以下旧称扬子江，在上海称黄埔江。

源沱沱河出自青海省西南边境唐古拉山脉雪山

I even compare the desciption of different province to make sure:

在西藏自治区境内，流域面积大于1万平方公里的河流有20多条，流域面积大于2000平方公里的河流有100条以上。著名的河流有金沙江、怒江、澜沧江和雅鲁藏布江。西藏还是国际河流分布最多的一个中国省区，亚洲著名的恒河、印度河、布拉马普特拉河、湄公河、萨尔温江、伊洛瓦底江等河流的上源都在这里。

巍巍昆仑山横贯中部，唐古拉山峙立于南，祁连山矗立于北，茫茫草原起伏绵延，柴达木盆地浩瀚无限。长江、黄河之源头在青海，中国最大的内陆高原咸水湖也在青海，因此而得名“青海”。

长江、黄河之源头在青海

I could be wrong because I am unfamiliar with the exact geography over there.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-8-1 16:44 編輯 ]

dye

Um..  according to my data

1929年1月，青海省正式建立。

"The "Nanjing Decade" of 1928-37 was one of consolidation and accomplishment by the Kuomintang. "

青海省简称青，古称西海、鲜水海、卑禾羌海，自十六国时期始称青海。藏语称错温波，蒙古语称库库诺尔，均意为青色的湖。

西汉元始四年(公元4年)王莽于湖北岸置西海郡，隋大业五年(609)于伏俟城置西海郡，均为时不久即废。自晋至唐为吐谷浑所占，曾建都于湖西十五里伏俟城。龙朔三年(663)地入吐蕃。宋代为西番唃厮罗所辖。元代有蒙古部落驻此，东北部置贵德州，属甘肃行中书省。明正德四年(1509)后为东蒙古所据，史称西海蒙古。厄鲁特蒙古的和硕特部首领顾实汗于崇祯九年(1636)率部自乌鲁木齐一带移牧来此，史称青海蒙古，并控制卫藏。

蒙藏各部，统归钦差办理青海蒙古番子事务大臣(简称西宁办事大臣)管辖。从此，凡称青海者，意即指该大臣所辖各族地界。 光绪三十三年(1907)推行新政时，曾议改青海为行省，不果。辛亥革命后，西宁办事大臣改为青海办事长官。1915年又改为蒙番宣慰使，由甘边宁海镇守使兼任。1926年撤销上述二使，改称甘边诸海护军使。　1912年北洋军阀政府任命马麒为西宁总兵，1915年又任命其为蒙蕃宣慰使和甘边宁海镇守使。从此，马家军阀在国民党政府的支持下统计青海近40年。1929年青海省正式成立。

"Qinghai was only relatively recently made a province of China. The area, historically called Kokonor in English until the early 20th century, lies outside of China proper and has been an ethnic melting pot for centuries, mixing Tibetan, Han Chinese, Mongol, and Turkic influences. It was a battleground during the Tang and subsequent Chinese dynasties when they fought against successive Tibetan dynasties.[1]

Prior to 1724, the area that is now Qinghai was under Tibetan control, but in that year it was conquered by the armies of the Qing Dynasty.[2] Following the defeat of the Dzungars by the Qing in the mid 18th century, the area became home to peoples from what is now northern Xinjiang known as the Kokonor Mongols (Kokonor derives from the Mongolian language name of Qinghai). In 1807, there was a rebellion by Tibetan people in the region.

In 1928, Qinghai became a province of the Republic of China. Subsequently it became the primary base for warlord Ma Bufang, before it became a province under the People's Republic of China in 1949."

明初曾沿袭元朝的行省制，但后来深感不便，于是进行改革。1376年（洪武九年）改行省为承宣布政使司，但习惯上仍称“省
此外，在政教合一的青海、西藏地区设置有乌思藏都司、朵甘都司（实际控制为当地宗教首领八大法王分辖各政教中心的寺院，还有各诸侯家属封地），另有置于今甘肃、青海交界地区的哈密、曲先等卫，以上均属羁縻性质，与内地的都司、行都司性质不同。

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-8-2 09:18 編輯 ]

dye

If others are correct, I do not see why I should reinvent the wheel.  It is just humbleness in the vast ocean of accumulated knowledge in this world.

To write something new is easy (like Bible), to write something new and factually grounded with any detail is difficult (like article in 'respected' academic journal).  

To write something new, factually grounded with details, and insightful at the same time would take a master of the arts and quite a bit of time/money.

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It is better to listen and learn, then to make a mistake like "了解一下中國境內主要河流  其源頭之所在 大家就會明白西藏之重要性"

The mistake is factually incorrect as well as theorically incorrect.

I have pointed out:
a)  Yellow river, Yangtse river, the cradle of Chinese civilization do not orginate from Qinghai
b)   If you are inquisitive and follow my lead, you will also find that the next one, Zhujiang originate from Yunnan.  You can keep checking until you find most of the major river in China simply DO NOT come from Tibet.  Take another example of the 7 major river of China, Huaihe, it orginate from Henan province.

c) Quite a number of river that do originate from Tibet flow to other countries, as you read in the passage.

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Theorically, if a country have a claim on the source of its water because of national security, we should be looking for a world war pretty soon because quite a number of countries has shared water.

And if your hypothesis is true in any meaningful way, Tibet probably belongs to India as it is the orgin of its holy water (恒河、印度河) (Along with many others)

dye

Don't insult V by placing their name togather in a sentence.

Here is V theory "所謂藏民自治其實不過是一個假議題。。。。。西藏地處喜馬拉雅山脈。。。。孫子有言善攻者動於九天之上﹐到時美國取得戰略上的制高點。。。。在那裡部署幾千枚戰斧式巡航導彈。。。。覆蓋整個中國大陸。。。。實行東西兩邊夾擊中國。。。到時真係大檸樂"

Beside the fact that "善攻者動於九天之上" is a misquote because Sunzi's era has no fighter jets, we should be checking if any of the surrounding countries has a high mountain range.  (No wonder Israel invaded Syria and refuse to returned Golan Height to them.  This is so damn clever of Israelis.)

This is the beauty of politic, how do we decide whose policy to follow?  

Do we follow B's policy and fight every country that control the source of water we drink?

Or do we follow V's policy and fight every neigbour country that live at a higher altitude than us?
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For other who is bored to death and wish to read something else, here is an excerpt from Sunzi

"孫子曰：兵者，國之大事，死生之地，存亡之道，不可不察也。

故經之以五，校之以計，而索其情：一曰道，二曰天，三曰地，四曰
將，五曰法。道者，令民于上同意者也，可與之死，可與之生，民不
詭也。"

The question is how many parts of China is in this kind of condition where 令民于上同意者也，可與之死，可與之生，民不
詭也。

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-8-2 17:41 編輯 ]

dye

Basic information from wiki

Lake Victoria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Victoria

Kenya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya

Tanzania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzania

Uganda (least democratic of the three)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda


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Now what is next.