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[瘋狂行徑] 屯門馬可賓中學強迫學生去「方舟不是神話佈道大會」

本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 10:03 編輯

回復 5# 三教童

Note that hey have to paid $20 to get in.
It is too expensive a fee to listen tofor bullshit.

Why aren't the student paid instead?

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Secondly, it is stated in the letter that it is part of the cirriculum.  Choosing not to attend may have consequences.

This is how a normal notice for activity look like, observe the difference in wording:
http://www.skhhtcss.edu.hk/%5CActnotice%5C0910%5C20100512-257-%E5%85%A8%E6%96%B9%E4%BD%8D%E5%AD%B8%E7%BF%92%E8%A8%88%E5%8A%83%20%E2%80%93%20%E8%A1%8C%E5%B1%B1%E6%B4%BB%E5%8B%95.pdf

EDB also have a standard for the notice
http://ed-services-ncsc.hkedcity.net/circular/cir1104_c.doc
本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 11:51 編輯

回復 11# 抽刀斷水

The school's money either comes from taxpayer or tuition fee.

In either case, it comes from the student (or their parents)
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Consider, does the student that REFUSE to go get a refund?

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"已報名但無故缺席的學生,須於活動後繳付全費"

Strange, is it not?
Ofcourse they are bleeding.  I am only saying that it is too expensive a price to pay to listen to the bullshit.

In fact, the student should be paid to listen to the bullshit.
回復 15# Nomad

It is in fact not US of A.  A typical Chinese will only sue someone as a last resort.

See the facebook petition.  The first step is to inform the school of the dissent.

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The school do have some automony in its spending. "Some"
If the executive branch is wasting their money, the legislative coucil has a duty to keep it in check (NOT the court).

BUT, at least half of the Legco is pro-government by the current political system.
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Under basic law
第三十二條
香港居民有信仰的自由。

香港居民有宗教信仰的自由,有公開傳教和舉行、參加宗教活動的自由。

The student has a right to refuse to go.  The school has a right to invite.

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Also relevent,
第八條
香港原有法律,即普通法、衡平法、條例、附屬立法和習慣法,除同本法相抵觸或經香港特別行政區的立法機關作出修改者外,予以保留。

The school authority is there before the handover.

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And

第一百三十七條
各類院校均可保留其自主性並享有學術自由,可繼續從香港特別行政區以外招聘教職員和選用教材。宗教組織所辦的學校可繼續提供宗教教育,包括開設宗教課程。

學生享有選擇院校和在香港特別行政區以外求學的自由。


第一百四十一條
香港特別行政區政府不限制宗教信仰自由,不干預宗教組織的內部事務,不限制與香港特別行政區法律沒有抵觸的宗教活動。

宗教組織依法享有財產的取得、使用、處置、繼承以及接受資助的權利。財產方面的原有權益仍予保持和保護。

宗教組織可按原有辦法繼續興辦宗教院校、其他學校、醫院和福利機構以及提供其他社會服務。

香港特別行政區的宗教組織和教徒可與其他地方的宗教組織和教徒保持和發展關係。
本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 13:05 編輯

I am not sure about US of A.  In Canada, UK, or in HK, the losing party in a lawsuit will pay for the fee inccured by the winning party.

The risk of suing others is high.

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In precedent case, you also note that a private citizen has no standing in these kind of cases.  You will probably need to prove you are "injuried" somehow by it.

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In any case, I am only pointing out that going to court is not how it is handle for a mis-spending.  Check is placed (supposively) at Legco when they passed the budget.
本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 14:27 編輯

Basic law also has

THE HONG KONG BILL OF RIGHTS

Article 15

Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

(1) Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.

(2) No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.

(3) Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.

(4) The liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions shall be respected.
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There is a ground for suing.  But it is basic law against basic law, which one will prevail?

Again, it is easy to ask someone to sue, but why are they suing?  Is it not for the betterment of their OWN child?  Why should one pay the whole cost for the betterment of the society?  (Which may not succed anyway)
本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 14:31 編輯

回復 28# Nomad

You can pick your public highschool in HK.  You HAVE a choice.
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http://chsc.edb.hkedcity.net/chi/schoolprofiles_secondary.php

For example, there are 2 highschool with no religious background in the same area to pick from (if they are only interested in fully funded school)

If they are willing to pick from the subsidise ones, there are school with Budhism background, charity background, and Taoism background.
本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 14:22 編輯

回復 27# Nomad

The school still need to follow the circriculum from Education Bureau.

Notice that the Lecgo pass the budget, not the bill.

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Notice that Basic Law is NOT designed and passed by HKers.  It is a deal between PRC and UK before 1997.  (Hence the 'history')

HK have NO right to ammend the basic law.  Any amendment recommendation will need to have 2/3 of the Legco passing it before being sumbited to PRC for approval.
本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 14:37 編輯

If people are rushing to attend school other than the Christians, government will change the policy.  Right now, there is no sign of such an exodus happening.

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The 800 do have a choice.
回復 36# Nomad

I am sorry.  Which page?
The government directly funded 6% of the highschool.  They are non-religious.
For 38.5% of the subsidized school, not all are religious.  Of those that are religious, not all are Christians.
For the ones that is buying seat, it is a simliar situation.
The 9% private school is still the same.

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Conclusion, you have more than 6% of the seat from non-Chistian school.
回復 38# Nomad

Note that functional group and the election committe for Chief executive are different.
本帖最後由 dye 於 2010/7/6 15:03 編輯

It is not Hong Kong people did not involve.  But Hong Kong people is not ALLOWED to be involved.

It is then a British colony.  It is now a PRC "colony"

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When people in HK is fighting for democracy, they are fighting to be involved to begin with.

If everyone in Legco is elected by the populace today, HK people will have 'some' influence over the matter.
回復 43# Nomad

THe election of the functional group is complex.  Not all are corporate vote.  Many of them are individual vote.
Had the Basic Law been change and refuse to maintain the status quo then, would the government then be able to maintain the stability before and during the handover?

The promise to keep thing unchange for 50 years serve a purpose then, and may have consequences today (just like the civil servant's high salary)  But how can you have the present without a past?
No they cannot.  Article 23 is not changed and cannot be changed.  The protest simply stop it from moving forward.
回復 46# Nomad

The fully funded school is definitely not religious.
The subsidize school may not be Christian.

I am not the one mentioning 6%, you are.

I am only saying that there are choices other than Christian school.
They do have a protest against the government reform the school system.  They are concern, just not in your particular narrow topic.
186 school with no religious background
23 budhism school
7 Taoism
1 Islam
1 confucian
5 listed as other (other than above and Chritsian, in which 4 of them is really confucian, 1 Christian)

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Compare with
88 Catholic
and 147 Christian

From the link you provided.
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