beebeechan

Coz compare to the Catholics, the communists are charitable enough not to kill 90% of the Christian population everywhere on earth, and then put the rest into mercury mines at gun point giving them only coca leaves for food. Also, there was never a 200 years ban on Christianity anywhere on earth. That's pretty obvious.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 11:38

The Aztecs worhshipped, beside the Sun God,  a dozen of god and goddesses.
To name a few:
CENTEOTL
CHALCHIUHTLICUE
CHANTICO
CHICOMECOATL
CIHUACOATYL
COATLICUE
COYOLXAUHQUI
EHECATL
HUEHUETEOTL
HUITZILOPOCHTLI
ITZPZPALOTL
IXTLILTON
MACUILXOCHITL
METZTLI
MICTLAN
MICTLANTECIHUATL
MICTLANTECUHTLE
MIXCOATL
NANAUATZIN
OCOCALTZIN
OMACATL
OMETECUHLTI / OMECIHUATL
OMETOTCHTLI
OPOCHTLI
PATECATLl
PAYNAL
QUETZALCOATL
TECCIZTECATL
TEOYAOMQUI
TEPEYOLLOTL
TEPOZTECATL
TEZCATLIPOCA
TLAHUIZCALPANTECUHTLI
TLALOC
TLAZOLTEOTL
TLOQUE NAHUAQUE
TONACATECUHTLI
TONATIUH
TONANTZIN
TZITZIMIME
XILONEN
XIPE TOTEC
XIUHTECUHTLI
XOCHIPILLI
XOCHIQUETZAL
XOLOTL
YACATECUHTLI

Many of them demanded human sacrifices.
How many lifes would have lost to the worship of these gods and goddesses throughout the Aztec Empire?

You say right, it had to pull down a lot of things in order to remove such a wrongful worship.

the communists are charitable enough not to kill 90% of the Christian population
I see you have been fooled by the statement in the article:
安的列斯島原有三百萬 印第安人， 1514 年減至 14000 人，最後只剩下 200 人。
It doesnt mean a genocide must have taken place. People just moved out of that place.
There are a lot of ghost town everywhere on earth where prosperity does not flourish any more.

It was also illogicl for the priests to kill all the people. Where no people existed any more, who was left to be preached?

You should have a better thought on that.

beebeechan

Again, getting rich doesn't make a prostitute a moralist. With hundreds of years of religion and state hunt down of prostitution, drugs and gangs, all three still flourish like nobody's business - that's more like what we should ask why the "lesser" religion can't achieve

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 11:38

This only suggests that SIN always accompanies human kind.....until the Judgement Day.
This has already been told in the Bible, so nothing new and special.

Nomad

Please don't fool people by trying to make Chinese christians looking low with a low percentage fi ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 12:46

So what? China is the second largest economy in the world, but no one will say Chinese are rich - there are like 1.4 billion of them sharing the same wealth.
There are also enough wiccas in US (750k) to fill up downtown Boston (~600k), you aren't ever gonna say the wicca religion is back in the picture ever will you?

Proportion matters - with big enough of a population the same proportion of stupidity will surely grow with the population size - it doesn't matter as much as long as it's still small relative to the rest of the population.


Maybe it is indeed a true statement that the only thing that matters to you is whether it's Christian Catholic.

Nomad

The Aztecs worhshipped, beside the Sun God,  a dozen of god and goddesses.
To name a few:
CENTEOTL ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 12:47

    Flat wrong, the "Indian"/indigenous population of the entire America with a conservative estimate of 30million, declined 80% within 30 years from 1492, without a massive fleet of sea going ships to ferry enough people back to Europe for slavery, there people are disappearing into nowhere but some disgusting death.

And as for genocide - even in the 20th century the Canadian Indian residential school system still violates the UN Genocide Convention attempt by force placing Aboriginal children into, oh, Christian-run schools for assimilation - but then of course Christians won't care about that because they were not the victims.

And honestly, no English speakers would ever go around and say "you say right" ... that sound completely Cantonese.

This only suggests that SIN always accompanies human kind.....until the Judgement Day.
This has al ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 12:48

    And this statement by itself only shows that you have no capability to investigate a phenomena except from the perspective your self-righteousness belief of whatever ancient people (?)  wrote in the book you read - which might be why you really sounded pretty similar to the people who have done the Holocaust.

beebeechan

Proportion matters - with big enough of a population the same proportion of stupidity will surely grow with the population size - it doesn't matter as much as long as it's still small relative to the rest of the population.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:02

Figures showed that in 1949, there were 500,000 baptized christians out of 450 million people in China. When China opened to the west since 1980s, christians rosed to 70000000. So, Chinese are increasingly stupid in spite of the prosperity.

It is also estimated that by two more generations, China could turn into a christian country.

Nomad

No one on earth told you that increasing number of stupid people necessarily lead to imminent destruction of the country - all you need is an equal proportion of a surge in numbers of people who are genuinely smart and capable - that's how that little country called United States survived despite of millions of dirt-poor, good-for-nothing-but-shooting-people-in-their-farms evangelicals - it's also the country that retains the most number of hard-science scientists, most of which are extremely secular.

And that estimate usually assumes an indefinite amount of growth in baptism in the same, near exponential rate - an assumption likely to be taken by evangelicals who want to think they indeed can turn China Christian - but then if they really did, good luck for that poor country, it has even littler resource and academic legacy to waste than the US...

Did that exponential growth rate really work? well, after the 70million number of 1980s, the 2002 CIA estimate of Christians including unregistered believer goes to ... oh, 40-100 million. yeah, sounds like it works...

beebeechan

    Flat wrong, the "Indian"/indigenous population of the entire America with a conservative estimate of 30million, declined 80% within 30 years from 1492, without a massive fleet of sea going ships to ferry enough people back to Europe for slavery, there people are disappearing into nowhere but some disgusting death.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:24

You put all the blame for the decrease in population to the executions by the Spanish.
People disappeared just because they were shipped out, as you have mentioned.
People died being exposed to new virus like smallpox and cowpox brought in by the Spanish.
People fled into the forest to escape wars, so they could not be counted.

'People disappearing into nowhere' would mean just victims of killing to you?

beebeechan

And that estimate usually assumes an indefinite amount of growth in baptism in the same, near exponential rate - an assumption likely to be taken by evangelicals who want to think they indeed can turn China Christian - but then if they really did, good luck for that poor country, it has even littler resource and academic legacy to waste than the US...

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:44

We do not live that long to see that.
The math tells us so.

Nomad

You put all the blame for the decrease in population to the executions by the Spanish.
People disa ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 13:53

    Except, there will be no such thing as a genocide on the planet if people would see execution as the only form of genocide.

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Again, if you want to convince people that you would care about anything other than whether it's Christian, you might as well try harder.

beebeechan

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

Are you saying that the Spanish were bringing smallpox and cowpox into Latin America on purpose?
Was it a set up to bring the Empire down?
I do not see the Spanish knowingly bring the virus to cause devastating loss of the indigenous population.

beebeechan

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

I have no interest to argue with you base on an imagined picture in your stupid mind.

beebeechan

Again, if you want to convince people that you would care about anything other than whether it's Christian, you might as well try harder.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

And honestly , I do not quite understand what you would trying to say in the above passage, not because I am not true English speaking.

dior13dior13

侵略中南美洲早已鐵証帶判了

伏爾泰的文斯巧妙一些, 稱做洗劫





我們需要喚醒的記憶
http://exchristian.hk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=6482&extra=page%3D1
無論原因為何，後來哥倫布在伊斯帕尼奧拉島的發現，其獲利乃是印度之免稅貿易所無法比擬的：奴隸和黃金。哥倫布回國時變成驚人的富有。
這導致西班牙和葡萄牙尋找黃金和奴隸的狂熱。30年內，至1520年，西班牙沿著墨西哥海岸登陸了許多軍隊，從土著那兒取走上萬磅的黃金。
印加人留下許多黃金，尤其埋藏在他們多世代、精緻的地下墓穴裏。西班牙政府佔領南美印加土地就是為了開礦。到了1537年，淘金潮隨著上萬西班牙人的來到而如火如荼地展開，而且西班牙國王在莫芝谷成立一個正式的煉金廠。這不是從礦石裏提煉黃金（印加人已經如此做了幾乎1000年），而是熔解幾十萬件從昌昌城壯麗墳墓裏、輝煌太陽神殿中掠奪而來的黃金物品。他們把這些無價的藝術品熔解成金塊，以利船運回西班牙，而國王的人監督整個運作、抽取20％的稅。直到今日，尋找印加藝術品是住在南美前印加土地上窮人主要的地下工業（雖然不合法）。

beebeechan

係人都知16, 17世紀殖民地擴張是侵略所為,
在拉丁美洲是, 在亞洲也是.
這點無需論.
也不是新發現

dior13dior13

係人都知16, 17世紀殖民地擴張是侵略所為,
在拉丁美洲是, 在亞洲也是.
這點無需論.
也不是新發現 ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 15:41

指著別人的鼻子, 自己卻不照鏡子

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回復 25# beebeechan
你是認真的嗎?
要把整個印加民族都殺光才叫惡行啊?

dior13dior13

　　大約在那個時候，一位西班牙的征服者聽到謠傳，在南端很遠處有一個大帝國，建築物覆蓋著黃金，人們的富有超乎想像，於是，1532年皮薩羅率領26O個傭兵抵達秘魯海岸。他帶著62名騎兵和198名步兵登陸，登上安第斯山脈，前進至印加的卡哈馬卡城，並求見印加帝國皇帝。印加皇帝來到卡哈馬卡城，以為只是與訪客和平的會面，但皮薩羅卻挾持他和隨從以要求贖金，數星期之後獲得了兩個房間多的銀子和一個房間多的金子。（以今日金塊和銀條的價格而言，超過6 000萬美元。）

　　西班牙人認為，皮薩羅之所以有機會宣讀他有名的公告，僅以260人便征服世上最大的帝國，並運回西班牙幾百噸的黃金，仍是由於上天保佑。這是他們“上帝所命”的版本。

　　事實上，皮薩羅之能如此輕易征服印加帝國，是因為當他抵達庫斯科時，有60％甚或90％以上的印加人已經死亡。

　　1520年西班牙征服者將天花傳入墨西哥，造成瘟疫——土著對歐洲的疾病沒有任何免疫力——像一把野火一般橫掃整個中南美的原住民。至1524年，天花幾乎已經滅亡巴拿馬全人口，而一躍過巴拿馬地峽就快速傳遍南美，一路殺盡。

　　1525年，最後一個印加皇帝Wayna CaPac和他的兒子、繼承者及其他大部分家庭成員均死于天花。權力真空及社會、人口的大崩潰，致使皮薩羅在7年後來到這裏時，對抗他的，只剩這一度強大的文明所留下的弱馬殘兵。

我們需要喚醒的記憶
http://exchristian.hk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=6482&extra=page%3D1

beebeechan

指著別人的鼻子, 自己卻不照鏡子
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/19 15:52

照鏡?
小心有人故意俾塊鏡你照, 等你看不清真相咋。

我個樣雖然不是天下第一靚模, 都不至如此「驚嚇」罷。

beebeechan

　　大約在那個時候，一位西班牙的征服者聽到謠傳，在南端很遠處有一個大帝國，建築物覆蓋著黃金，人們的富 ...
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/19 21:39

看來你是不懂, 不能, 無力討論耶?
轉轉貼貼當回應了?
有口難言耶

beebeechan

回復  beebeechan
你是認真的嗎?
要把整個印加民族都殺光才叫惡行啊?
Login 發表於 2010/11/19 20:08

那印加民族殺光四周的小民族, 這條數需不需要算?
因為沒有一個傳教士德拉斯卡薩斯（B. de las Casas）詳盡地記下來, 所以....不用算了?
眼不見為乾淨

你也是認真的嗎?