表, currently, newspaper, internet, reported

prussianz

i'd like2suggest : ::::: 發表 our own 淫審制度改革立場書
i'd like2suggest : ::::: 發表 our own version o' 淫審制度改革立場書

should 民間團體「色放」b so able ,
then ..... ,
ynot[[why-not]] exChristian.hk ??

100.000 suggestion ,
100.000 food4thought ,

purpose : ::::::::::
let the exChristian.hk b[[=be]] introduced////reported via newspaper e.t.c. to the general public
who , generally do not go internet

note !!!!
i do acknowledged the exChristian.hk currently being under-manned ,
i do acknowledged any exChristian-in-standing-out may b ,,,,,taken-care'''' by Christians
i do acknowledged + accept + embrace 100.000% this proposal should////must b rejected

http://exchristian.hk/forum/view ... 1387&extra=page%3D1
http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/nw/show.cgi/2/1/1/614249/1.html

【東方日報專訊】
有民間團體對淫審處的做法大為不滿，要求政府檢討本港的淫審制度。民間團體「色放」（Sexpress）日前發表淫審制度改革立場書，狠批現時淫審制度缺乏透明度，負責評級的審裁員是「小圈子」，
由影視處篩選，但篩選準則不明。

「色放」又指摘目前淫審制度於初審時以閉門形式進行，
有關出版人和作者難以抗辯，牴觸了人權法。

「色放」又擔心，過去一年接二連三發生多宗創作被刑事檢控的風波，令人憂慮若因言論和表達入罪的機制一旦展開，香港整個自由開放的文化會被摧毀。他們要求政府以業界自律取代由上而下的行政指引，全面檢討淫審制度。

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prussianz

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-21 16:58 發表
要花些時間研究現時的淫審制度及其不足之處。

看來你似乎有些眉目？你有idea，不妨貼出，讓我們參詳後，真可submit呢。

ThANKs

some of our own unique points in our [[would-b]] 淫審制度改革立場書 : ::::::::::
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ask those 處長 or vice 處長 or any key-figures to disclose their own religious inclination//belief
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@least ,
@least , a summary////////stats/////////breakDown of their own religious inclination//belief ,
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that's really very
criticcal , due2 the fact of that : : they'r
critic of other people ,
e.g.
should those 審裁員 or 處長 b[[=be]] Christians ,
then ,
when-ever .... u were2submit to them something
anti-Christians
anti-Christs ,
so , u bet it !! what would they think ?????????
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its[[it's]] the era of disclosure ,
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each-n-every key officer in hkg[[hkgovernment]] , such as : ::::: ceo tsang ,
must first make a very serious declaration of his own investments interrest
b4
his own in-auguration in his any new office ,
now ,
may b .........
its[[it's]] time4them2make declaration o' their own religious interrest , as well ,
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[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-21 17:36 編輯 ]

prussianz

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-21 20:47 發表
或者直接要求公開審裁員的甄選機制？

o yes ,

prussianz

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-21 19:45 發表
公開宗教，可以看得到淫審處是否只傾斜於某一宗教，或者可以迫使淫審處加入不同宗教或思想的道德角度？

>>>> 或者可以迫使淫審處加入不同宗教或思想
o yes

greater

prussianz

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-21 20:39 發表
Not only that people with different religious beliefs should be invited into the group, but also those without any religious belief. Since this would make more balanced judgements to represent the vie ...

>>>> Not only that people with different religious beliefs should be invitedinto the group,
>>>> but also those without any religious belief.
>>>> Since thiswould make more balanced judgements to represent the view of thesociety.

o yes , me agree

However,
it seems that it is difficult to know the religious belief ofdifferent people.
After all,
only a few would just get certificate fromreligious parties,
and
we can't observe the mind of others directly.
Inaddition,
the religious belief of people could be changed rapidly.
Inwhat basis (observable basis) should we use to check the religiousbeliefs of different people?

sorry cant quite agree

>>>> it seems that it is difficult to know the religious belief ofdifferent people.

yes , but , not too difficult , it does have 'the ways ,
let's just ask !! y[[=why]] not !!!!!???? it works !! .........

e.g. : :::::
曾當奴 does have publiccly admitted [[ when being asked ]] he's a Catholic , a devout Catholic

e.g. : :::::
http://exchristian.hk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1329&extra=page%3D1
>>>>>>>>> 美國2008年大選總統候選人宗教信仰一覽
>>>> we can't observe the mind of others directly.
+
>>>> In what basis (observable basis)
>>>> should we use to check the religious beliefs of different people

in my own humble opinion : ::::: v dont need to `````observe'''' nor `````check'''' ,
let's just ask !! y[[=why]] not !!!!!???? it works !! ......... ask them2declare,
they should declare
they must declare
they MUST declare , their decisions 'r directly + indirectly affecting or effecting the public !!

sorry , my tone may b too heavy here ,
sorry again


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prussianz

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-21 21:06 發表
And also requires that the reason of judging an article should not appeal to religious belief?

sorry cant quite get it , how about elaborating it a little bit ??
ThANKye

prussianz

原帖由 dye 於 2008-1-21 23:27 發表
If, say 90% of the population is Christians, what is wrong with having a panel with 90% Christians?  What would you have felt if 99% of the poplation is atheist and 50% of the panel is Christian for t ...

>>>>  What would you have felt
>>>> if 99% of the poplation is atheist and 50% of the panel is Christian for the sake of balance?

u have made a point here , a great point , ,
expecially applicable 2 current situations of our home , hk

prussianz

原帖由 dye 於 2008-1-21 23:27 發表
If, say 90% of the population is Christians, what is wrong with having a panel with 90% Christians?  What would you have felt if 99% of the poplation is atheist and 50% of the panel is Christian for t ...

first sorry cant quite agree, please accept my sincere apologisations

If we must have every religious group in the panel, we will need: allsect of Christians (a couple hundred), Islam (at least 2), Hindu (a fewmillion), Jedian , IPUian...etc

'the dominant sects in each group may b already more than o-k

A secular society would just NEGLECT the religious background of someone.  
Instead, try to listen to their reasoning.

>>>> Instead,
>>>> try to listen to their reasoning

sorry ,
those Chr* 'r just too smart ,
o yes ,
their reasonning may b very reasonnable , but , at the same time ,
their reasonning may also b just nothing but all excuses in disguise , who knows ?? God knows !!
ye dont experience it enough ??
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their reasonning may b very ambiguous ,
e.g. : :::::
````` for the goodness of the whole society ''''
````` for the better moral conducts ''''
e.t.c.
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>>>> If the government do adopt such a policy,
>>>> HK can properly be called procecuting all religion.

sorry , please let me say not agree , sincere apology from me ,
never as extreme as such suckingly , un-imaginably ,
but ,
perhaps , it may b due 2 that i'm too stupid ,

n'o[[no]] bad feeling , just discuss , sincere apology from me ,

cheers ThANkye , pendragon

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prussianz

原帖由 dye 於 2008-1-21 23:27 發表
If, say 90% of the population is Christians, what is wrong with having a panel with 90% Christians?  What would you have felt if 99% of the poplation is atheist and 50% of the panel is Christian for t ...

>>>> if 終審法院首席法官 (current one 李國能)is a Christian
any 1 know whether 李國能 being a Christian ?? sorry ThANKye

prussianz

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-22 01:01 發表
在dye兄的啟示下，由機制說起：

影視及娛樂事務管理處（影視處）：負責把懷疑違例的物品呈交至審裁處，以及在審裁處評定物品類別後作出檢控
淫褻物品審裁處（淫審處）：全權負責評定物品類別

涉嫌淫褻物品：Ａ（比喻：通輯犯）

過程：
1. 影視處 ...

問題是淫審處內部會如何識別Ａ是否淫褻物品呢？有沒有一套通用指引或制度？負責委員多少人？委員要全部通過、抑或大部分通過即可呢？處長就判斷Ａ有多大權力？假如沒有公開的話，我們怎知道機制是否公平？

o yes , an other holy[[[[[[[[[wholly]]]]]]]]] black box ,
with-out any transparency ,
with-out any counter-balance ,
they could do it just what-ever they would

公平？

where ????

p.s.
my tone may b too harsh here,
so
so
sorry4anyinconveneince
sorry4anyinconveneince2everybody


hey mam//man//men , brothers , comrades , , please , peace , ThANKye ,

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-22 13:48 編輯 ]

prussianz

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-22 04:40 發表
"sorry cant quite agree

>>>> it seems that it is difficult to know the religious belief ofdifferent people.

yes , but , not too difficult , it does have 'the ways ,
let's just ask !! y[[=why]] no ...

1. But, how can you guarantee that they won't be telling lies? If theyknow that people would think it is problematic if the group is formedby all Christian, and using the Christian doctrine as the rule tojudge, it seems that it is of their interest to hide this fact topublic (just go to 佛堂 for 1 or 2 times, or just declare that they are無神論者, etc.).

>>>> But, how can you guarantee that they won't be telling lies?
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.a. its[[it's]] their own responsibility to tell the truth , only truth , nothing but the truth ,
.b. should they tell lie ,
then ,
Our AllMighty Lord must////MUST hold them responsible !!!!
Our AllMighty Lord must////MUST ,,,,,wait'''' them in their way !!!!


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what v should do , 's just only : ::::::::::: 發表 'the 立場書 , n , let  'the 立場書 2 ask by itself ....
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by 'the way ,
y[[=whynot]] ask ????
y[[=whynot]] just ask ???? v have nothing2lose , v have nothing in pain , but everything2gain ,
just
so simplo
sorry4anyinconveniency2everybody


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i may/////////must b incorrect in 1 way or other ,
please dont hesitate2rectify it ,
welcome !

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>>>> (justgo to 佛堂 for 1 or 2 times, or just declare that they are無神論者, etc)
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me seems ,
.1. : :::::
the Christians 'r so proud of their own religious identity that ,
i doubt that they would deny it
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.2. : :::::
the Christians would not make themselves so
,,,,,dirty'''' as to visitting those
,,,,,non-good-places'''' or
,,,,,not-so-good-places'''' or
,,,,,not-too-good-places'''' such as .........
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[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-22 21:27 編輯 ]

prussianz

原帖由 dye 於 2008-1-22 15:59 發表
「社會上合理的人普遍接受的道德、禮儀及言行標準 ← 現時的道德水平似乎變化急速，而淫審處那些委員是否能追上潮流？例如明光社的「道德」，又是否屬於「社會上合理的人普遍接受的道德」？另外，成年人和青年人的道德觀，由社會 ...

阿李老爺一開卷人人都係明光社D仆街，點揀？有乜辦法唔係十居其九都係碌七？點解冇D「正義朋友」自動獻身上淫審處做淫審員？君子動口不動手嗎？

定係大伙兒係根本信唔過李老爺，以為佢咁得Q閒去專揀D仆街入去？

想政治好便要多多參與。又要馬兒好，又要馬兒不吃草？

expecially ````````` 想政治好便要多多參與。又要馬兒好，又要馬兒不吃草？'''''''''

o yes , so true


sorry 4 my indifferrence or ignorin' or neglectin' ,


[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-22 21:25 編輯 ]

prussianz

原帖由 dye 於 2008-1-22 16:56 發表
「社會上合理的人普遍接受的道德、禮儀及言行標準；」

抽生你開宗明義自稱無道德，點入呀。乜撚野都PASS咪正正失左淫審處評級既本意。(Sorry to inform you that they are grade in I, II, or III.  not, pass or not p ...

>>>> 社會上的黑暗說明白的人多，真明白的人少…）

this kind of people includes me , 2[[=too] , sorry ,

thank ye


[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-22 18:25 編輯 ]

prussianz

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-22 17:20 發表
乜我Ｄ問題唔值得討論咩？

有人認為男極圈有問題，有人亦認為扼殺創作有問題。作為政府，就要作出平衡。

道德，不是用來鄙視無道德的人。很多人以道德作權力的代名詞，就形成了一些極端的道德捍衛團體了。

但dye少給了我一個 ...

>>>>>>>>> 乜我Ｄ問題唔值得討論咩？

sorry My Dear Sir 刀 ,
me seems ,
nowhere in My Dear Sir Dye's comments contain anything as : :
`````````抽刀斷水Ｄ問題唔值得討論'''''''''

may b ye having a little bit mis-understood

prussianz

原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-22 17:38 發表




>>>> But, how can you guarantee that they won't be telling lies?
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oYes : :::::  no1 can guarantee
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>>>>>>>>> v have nothing2lose , v have nothing in pain , but everything2gain ,

o k ,
in my own humble opinions , @ least , nothing2lose ,
cause : ::::::::::
v dont even need 2 show up
v dont even need 2 show up our names
e.g. : :::::
http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/nw/show.cgi/2/1/1/614249/1.html
>>>> 團體狠批淫審欠透明
in this news-report done by 東方日報 ,
just n'o any human-name was exposed

ThANKs