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最多批評教會的人可能是其跟隨者
美調查顯示離開教會者對教會印像差

教會外的人批評教會不足爲奇,但是當信徒也表達負面觀點的時候,這就是給教會的一個紅色信號。
美國最近由Sam S. Rainer III領導的RainerResearch研究報告顯示,只有39%離開教會的人認爲教會「有關心」,同時卻有51%的人稱教會是「審判者」。其他離開教會人士的觀點中,41%的人士說教會是「虛假的」;只有20%的人覺得教會「有靈性的」,30%人士說教會是「可信的」,還有36%的人表示他們的教會是「歡迎的
此次調查對象為18到22歲人士,調查結果被收錄在Rainer將要出版的新書《教會的本質? 》

反省教會實踐真理反省教會實踐真理
  「教會沒有活出聖經的教導而變得虛假,並且是審判者的姿勢,從而失去了這代年輕人。」浸信會一位牧師Rainer評論,「他們回到了要求教會實踐真理的文化中。 」
  「其實,很大程度上,這個文化是正確的。」這位年輕指出,教會的呼召中包括要信徒活出他們所傳講的。 這些離開教會的人們在教會聽到了這樣的道理,但是在那些經常來教會的人的生命中卻看不見這樣的世界。
  
美國基督教調查機構The BarnaGroup表示,調查顯示對基督教持反對意見和敵意的人數不斷增加,其中主要是非信主年輕人,他們對基督教有壞印象;而更多的報告顯示,這些年輕人不僅是那些沒有基督信仰的人,還包括了那些因為信徒而跌倒的人。
  
「誠然,我們需要非常關注不信之人對我們的看法。」Rainer表示,「但是也許更大的問題是我們的信徒怎麼看自己的教會。」
  
美國青年教導員Greg Stier相信基督徒最大的敵人之一就是基督徒。他回應許多教會領袖觀點時表示,「當我們因為『我們反對什麼』而出名,而不是因為我們為了爭取什麼而出名的時候,我們還能期望什麼呢?」他在最近的採訪中還表示:「如果我們放下自己,端起一盆水,用毛巾擦人的腳,也許這時,世界才會坐下來聽你講。或者他們仍然不會。但是不管怎樣,我們需要更像耶穌基督。」
The Barna Group的DavidKinnaman在他所著的《這不是基督徒》(unChristian)一書中說,年輕的重生基督徒們和非基督徒們相約地(分別為22%和23%)認爲,今天社會中基督徒們已經不像耶穌基督。 他還發現,許多人包括一些基督徒,除了認為教會充當審判者之外,還覺得教會充滿了假冒偽善的人和那些反同性戀者。「年輕人帶著否定的視角看基督教,也許我們在談論這些資訊的時候,反應過於機械。」
  
儘管那些離開教會的人有不好的印象,但是那些沒有離開教會的年輕人對教會的印象還是蠻好的。調查中那些沒有離開教會的年輕人,大部分都認為他們的教會「有人情味」、「敞開心懷」、「值得信任」而且「有靈性」。他們當中只有19%的人形容教會是「假冒偽善」的,24%的人認為他們的教會是「審判者」。
  
Churches' Greatest Critics May be Their Own Followers
Criticism from people outside of Christianity toward the Church doesn't surprise many. But when negative viewpoints are being expressed by believers, it raises a red flag for churches across the country.
In the latest research report by Sam S. Rainer III, who heads Rainer Research, only 39 percent of people who dropped out of the church perceived their church as "caring." Meanwhile, 51 percent of them called their church "judgmental."
Among other unfavorable views from those who quit their church, 41 percent of them said their church was "insincere." Only 20 percent felt their church was "inspirational;" 30 percent said their church was "authentic;" and 36 percent said their church was "welcoming."
The survey was conducted on 18- to 22-year-olds and is featured in Rainer's upcoming book, Essential Church?.
"The churches that do not demonstrate these biblical qualities and rather become insincere and judgmental lose this generation," Rainer, a young Baptist pastor, commented. "They return to the culture that claims churches are not living up to their calling.
"And, for the most part, the culture is correct."
Part of the church's calling is to reach those on the outside and live out what they preach, but these students who are dropping out are hearing one thing in church and seeing another thing in the lives of these churchgoers, Rainer pointed out.
Polls have shown increasing hostility and negativity toward Christianity, mainly from younger non-Christians – a majority of whom have a bad impression of Christianity, according to The Barna Group.
But more reports are indicating that young adults not just outside of the Christian faith, but those in the pews are turned off by believers.
"Yes, we need to be greatly concerned about outside perceptions," said Rainer. "But perhaps more frightening are what our own students are saying about our churches."
National youth leader Greg Stier of Dare 2 Share Ministries believes one of the worst enemies of Christians are Christians.
"When we are known more for what we are against than what we are for what other outcome can we expect?" he said, echoing what many church leaders have expressed.
"If we put down our picket signs and picked up a basin of water and towel to wash feet with then maybe the world would sit up and listen. Or maybe they wouldn't. But either way we would be more like Jesus," Stier noted in a recent interview with The Christian Post.
Young born-again Christians were nearly just as likely as non-Christians (22 vs. 23 percent) to say Christianity in today's society no longer looks like Jesus, according to David Kinnaman of The Barna Group who wrote his findings in unChristian.
Along with perceptions of churches being judgmental, Kinnaman has found that many, including Christians, view the church as full of hypocrites and anti-homosexual.
"If young people view Christianity negatively may it be for the exclusive claims of Christ in the Gospel not because we come off as jerks when we communicate that message," Stier commented.
Despite the bad impressions expressed by those who dropped out of their churches, Rainer found that the churches of young people who did not drop out were viewed very favorably.
A majority of the young people who did not quit described their church as "caring," "welcoming," "authentic" and "inspirational." Only 19 percent of those who stayed said their church was "insincere" and only 24 percent felt their church was "judgmental."
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080123/30958_Churches'_Greatest_Critics_May_be_Their_Own_Followers.htm
[url=http://gospelherald.com.hk/news/wor_1366.htm]http://gospelherald.com.hk/news/wor_1366.htm[/url]
de omnibus dubitandum
唉,真失敗。對大秦景教有好感嘅非信徒居然有成16%!各位兄弟您地點搞咖?

    「(Barna Group 調查結果﹕) 非信徒對基督教有良好觀感的百分比,從十年前的絕大部分,急劇下降到只有百分之十六。而當被問到對福音派的觀感,比率更低。而如果其中二十歲到三十歲的年青人對基督教有好感的,低至只有百分之三……負責調查的 David Kinnaman 向基督教教牧印證,資深教牧大多都感受到他們工作愈來愈困難:人們對基督教愈來愈有敵意和感到不滿」
本文可算道出了很多「非基」厭惡教會的理由,這些厭惡並非因為「不了解」基督教而引起(在香港,基督教算是宣傳力度最大的宗教了),反而是因為見得太多「教會」講一套做一套(一邊講耶穌一邊背叛耶穌)、或者行為可憎的問題。
最簡單的例子,例如某些聲稱自己是基督徒,卻比法利賽人更急於向「罪人」擲石的機構。
    「年青人,包括信徒和非信徒,對福音派的觀念和批判都很一致,例如他們認為教會是反同性戀用過了火位的鄙視、刻毒(unloving attitude)對待手法,他們也感到基督教今非昔比,愈來愈不像耶穌(這方面信徒和非信徒青年的比率相近)。」
http://www.xanga.com/fongyun/636341692/gods-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world.html
de omnibus dubitandum

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16%內的人,可能是被基督徒妻子/女友監視下被迫填寫的非信徒,或者正在就讀教會學校的非信徒學生,或是在基督教機構工作的非信徒,這些都只是非戰之罪。
支持鼓勵每位離教者

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邊度會有人因為被基督徒妻子/女友監視而唔敢認對大秦景教反感咁丟男人架咖?若然世上真有這種人,我就真係睇佢唔起!
de omnibus dubitandum
原帖由 沙文 於 2008-1-25 02:39 發表
唉,真失敗。對大秦景教有好感嘅非信徒居然有成16%!各位兄弟您地點搞咖?

    「(Barna Group 調查結果﹕) 非信徒對基督教有良好觀感的百分比,從十年前的絕大部分,急劇下降到只有百分之十六。而當被問到對福音派的觀感,比 ...


>>>> 在香港,基督教算是宣傳力度最大的宗教了)

if not so , 'the percentage may b lower ,
but ,
never-the-lesser , 16% ,
still
too high ,

原帖由 沙文 於 2008-1-25 02:39 發表
唉,真失敗。對大秦景教有好感嘅非信徒居然有成16%!各位兄弟您地點搞咖?

    「(Barna Group 調查結果﹕) 非信徒對基督教有良好觀感的百分比,從十年前的絕大部分,急劇下降到只有百分之十六。而當被問到對福音派的觀感,比 ...


there4 ,
they [[[[[ i dont mention Christiannity here , please dont frame me ]]]]
sent some1s
[[[[[ possibly in crusade , an other kind of instilling crusade ]]]]
to ,,,,,,,,,manage''''''''' tvb
e.t.c.
insidiously
http://www.exchristian.hk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1261&page=4#pid12177
>>>>>>>>> 抗議無線電視翡翠台在黃金時間播放《福言雋語》!

在晚上七時三十分的合家歡時間,竟然播放含迷信意識的《福言雋語》,怪力亂神,更於本星期一(26/11/07)播放廖啟智夫婦的幼兒大聲反覆地說:「我信天父個仔!」令觀眾放入口中的晚餐也差點嘔了出來。

星期二(27/11/07)李司棋又胡言亂語,又說信主甚麼甚麼,好像在賣靈芝孢子廣告一樣:我信靈芝孢子,只有它才可醫好我的病。

這些都是反覆洗腦的效果,而且似乎正是借電視頻道黃金時段來做,十分可怕。我不知道這個節目還會播出多少天,但明顯地在這個時間播放,會大大影響觀眾食慾。強烈要求無線腰斬有關電視節目!
tvb 已經被基督徒入侵成為宣揚基督既另一力量喇
多次係對白中穿插關於基督教既野﹐什麼上帝咁仁慈啊﹐什麼祈禱原來有用啊﹐安排詩歌班等 只有基督徒先會用既野
有時對白仲抵毀其他宗教﹐畫面又出現打爛觀音像
多佐基督畫像同十字架飾物﹐亦起佐一佐極宏偉既天主教堂
演員又多佐信教(為保飯碗﹖﹖)﹐
唔知離開果d演員係咪都非基督徒呢﹖﹖


their primary target : :::::::::: n'o[[no]] more hk , but rather , china , mainland of china ,

they could do the re-branding or re-packaging Christiannity as that : ::::::::::
`````````
from western world , the western life style , the western spirit
from america , the american life style , the american spirit
from europe , the european life style , the european spirit
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
e.t.c.
e.t.c.

u know ,
how hot  the chinese people 'r favouring  the european life styles [[[[[ o k , including me , ]]]]
expecially
especially
our fellow chinese people upside ,

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-25 15:03 編輯 ]
在基督徒妻子/女友面前唔認對大秦景教反感, 但係可以在佢地背後改data ma...
唉....

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我就打死都唔信世上會有人咁離譜,在基督徒妻子/女友面前唔認對大秦景教反感。咁丟架嘅人就唔死都冇用啦
de omnibus dubitandum
原帖由 沙文 於 2008-1-26 12:57 發表
我就打死都唔信世上會有人咁離譜,在基督徒妻子/女友面前唔認對大秦景教反感。咁丟架嘅人就唔死都冇用啦


...耶教都有人信啦...呢個世界無奇不有,無話離唔離譜既

正所謂"愛情係盲目既",男人陽奉陰違都唔係真係咁丟架啫;只不過係耶教方面你可以企得硬D,阿沙嫂咪縮囉;你又試吓堅持要一屋兩妻,咪又係得個屈服...

見到你咁講,突然諗起一位好耐無見過其文既朋友阿V飛刀...有d懷念添...
原帖由 沙文 於 2008-1-26 12:57 發表
我就打死都唔信世上會有人咁離譜,在基督徒妻子/女友面前唔認對大秦景教反感。咁丟架嘅人就唔死都冇用啦


咁 ,
我 dont need u to be [[打死]]'d , but , u could believe it from now on,
我就係咁離譜嘅人
我就係在基督徒女友面前唔認對大秦景教反感, 但係可以在佢地背後改data嘅人
我就係咁丟架唔死都冇用嘅人 ,
so what ??
您吹咩?
so u dont love me any more by now ??



原帖由 Jom 於 2008-1-26 14:04 發表 [url=redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=13163&ptid=1403][/url]


...耶教都有人信啦...呢個世界無奇不有,無話離唔離譜既

正所謂"愛情係盲目既",男人陽奉陰違都唔係真係咁丟架啫;...

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-27 02:55 編輯 ]
原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-27 00:46 發表


咁 ,
我 dont need u to be [[打死]]'d , but , u could believe it from now on,
我就係咁離譜嘅人
我就係在基督徒女友面前唔認對大秦景教反感, 但係可以在佢地背後改data嘅人
我就係咁丟架唔死都冇用嘅人 ,
so ...


if.... any1 not believe me as such ,
then ..... ye could try to introduce a Christian pretty woman to me,
then ..... ye'll c[[=see]] it
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