dye

花姨P11,P17說得好。

有家才有國。一面有大隊人活得這麼苦，一面國家倒水般的花錢興祝。「朱門酒臭肉，路有涷死骨」，大概是花姨的感慨吧。

正如我早幾月去問工人，人家根本不知奧運是什麼。
最近呢？就知道奧運會放假了。

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能源價上升，煤礦意外死人

食品價上升，社會動盪。（法國、新彊、西藏、廣西、廣東、墨西哥等等也有不同程度的社會不安）

今天能源價、食品價下降，雖然經濟不怎麼好，生活大概是可以活下去了。

dye

奧運賺錢會賺到誰身上？咪又係D股票佬、生意佬。山區的朋友，厰區的工仔，圍來圍去還不是差不多的生活？

中國有幾個BILL GATES？

dye

有錢又去拍廣告，拍廣告賺了又拍。咁產品質量又無人理、員工資產無人管。寧可請劉德華都唔降格到沙文，等工廠D工仔可以有機會進修。

最有趣是原來工廠賺錢比工人在屎坑死活更重要。

埂係，老板廣告公司經理都唔去果格屎坑。等到有日屎坑爆左，廣告公司經理咪同老板立錢走人。

dye

所以，既然公司人人有份，又不是B仔一個人的，公開條數大家研究討論有什麼不好？如果請明星真的有好處，也可以解釋一下給洗厠所的聽，要人心服口服。洗厠所也可能對厠所有高見值得參考，B仔又不是神仙，怎可能什麼都知、都懂？

如果公司是B仔一個人的，獨裁也沒什麼。可惜此公司人人有份，又不能退股。失業又不會，沒生意只又回到「活得困苦」之上。

世上難道只有失業和爆屎坑兩條路？公司難道不可以調整分配，令他有一點點宣傳，又不太臭？

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是呀，政府在花大家血汗錢（你很清楚，真是有血有淚），當然想物超所值。你購物的時候不是這樣的嗎？至少香港政府一直也有這宗旨。

「怎么辦都有錯。花錢少了，節目次了，要批

                            花錢多了，節目奢華了，要批
」

dye

無人話唔值錢。問題一直是是值幾銀？

如果多花一元可以加多十元外貿、或在醫院救人一命，多活三天、或在學校多訓練一個技工，萬分之一個FARADAY、或開發本國資源，增加產能、或買民眾一分鐘的笑容？

（注意，有時有些是可以兼得的）

dye

This is why it takes politics.  It is about compromise.  It is not either-or.

A country do not need to solve the proverty problem completely in order to host the Olympic.  The problem is always the MARGINAL return of every dollar spend.  When a country has spend 'enough' money on education, health, public security, etc, the MARGINAL return on these will be comparable to Olympics.

Think about the either-or world before politics.  Ofcourse a world focusing on subsistense is boring.  However, will you be able to excuse your conscience if by hosting Olympics, thousands had to die for it?  

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Sherman,

It is great.  I never said it is totally bad.  The buck spent on computer graphic is 物超所值!  But then again, we are not given the numbers behind it, so we are really only guessing.  We do not know if Mr Zhang has shop wisely and fine a cheap computer firm for the job.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-8-15 21:57 編輯 ]

dye

"Marginal" means the effect of the last buck being spent.  It is a common theme in economics in making decision that has a 'grey' area.

Who set the criteria?  The populace will (should).  If they feel they need more education, they can shift to plan with more education.  If they feel they need more health, they will shift to better health plan.  

That is why politics IS about compromise.  Just as musian is not music, politician is not politics.  Good music is only obvious when we have good musican, good politics is only obvious with good politicians.

It is not about the feeling on one or two people.  It is when everyone has different needs and wants, how should the society organize its (public) resources.   That is why your opinion matters in politics, but so do the next person who may feel the opposite.

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How would you be sure if they will treat Olympics like they did in China?  They can always squeeze the most out of the Games with little investment.  (On equality balance, they can install policy to mkae it better too!)

If they do live in proverty, they can show the world about it and aim for humanitarian aid.  For other weakness, they can use the glbal attention to start a forum for innovative solutions.

Creative solution, innovative ideas is valuable in politics too.

dye

If we are assigning the task of investing public funds to Mr Yum, how is that undemocratic by itself?  The populace is the boss, Mr Yum is the civil servant.  His power is granted by the populace, just as Mr Wen reminded the PRC army who fed them.  What will be undemocratic is if the overseeing government is not representative of the the populace.  (Communism or democratic government is only technical point.  Communism is not the opposite of democracy.  Dictatorship is!)  

In order for the populace to effectively monitor Mr Yum's work, they will need the number.  And we do have the key number publish annually by the governement.  HK at least has that part done.

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Now if the government ONLY listen to 抽刀斷水, what about the others who wants the governemnt to keep reserve longer (to avoid danger in flutuating exchange rate)

dye

There will be no Olympic without politics.  How do you fund all the public works without politics?  Without balancing each others need and wants?

The different is only that some pretend to be not involved, the other is pointing out the emperor new clothes.
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The problem is that the previous issue has an offical way to solve the problem WITHOUT joining the government.  You just need to write or join the associated agency.

Indeed, if you wish to change the policy of the PRC, eventually it has to be told to related offical too!  (If all things fail, as a last resort, we will need Sherman's rule number 1)  It is indeed useless to talk in here.  Did I say they are listening?

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-8-15 23:18 編輯 ]

dye

You want the positive externality of the reserve, but do not want to pay for it.  Why should everyone pay for your bills?  Is there something special you have contribute to the community that derserve special treatment?