beebeechan

Again, if you want to convince people that you would care about anything other than whether it's Christian, you might as well try harder.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

And honestly , I do not quite understand what you would trying to say in the above passage, not because I am not true English speaking.

beebeechan

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

I have no interest to argue with you base on an imagined picture in your stupid mind.

beebeechan

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

Are you saying that the Spanish were bringing smallpox and cowpox into Latin America on purpose?
Was it a set up to bring the Empire down?
I do not see the Spanish knowingly bring the virus to cause devastating loss of the indigenous population.

Nomad

You put all the blame for the decrease in population to the executions by the Spanish.
People disa ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 13:53

    Except, there will be no such thing as a genocide on the planet if people would see execution as the only form of genocide.

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Again, if you want to convince people that you would care about anything other than whether it's Christian, you might as well try harder.

beebeechan

And that estimate usually assumes an indefinite amount of growth in baptism in the same, near exponential rate - an assumption likely to be taken by evangelicals who want to think they indeed can turn China Christian - but then if they really did, good luck for that poor country, it has even littler resource and academic legacy to waste than the US...

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:44

We do not live that long to see that.
The math tells us so.

beebeechan

    Flat wrong, the "Indian"/indigenous population of the entire America with a conservative estimate of 30million, declined 80% within 30 years from 1492, without a massive fleet of sea going ships to ferry enough people back to Europe for slavery, there people are disappearing into nowhere but some disgusting death.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:24

You put all the blame for the decrease in population to the executions by the Spanish.
People disappeared just because they were shipped out, as you have mentioned.
People died being exposed to new virus like smallpox and cowpox brought in by the Spanish.
People fled into the forest to escape wars, so they could not be counted.

'People disappearing into nowhere' would mean just victims of killing to you?

Nomad

No one on earth told you that increasing number of stupid people necessarily lead to imminent destruction of the country - all you need is an equal proportion of a surge in numbers of people who are genuinely smart and capable - that's how that little country called United States survived despite of millions of dirt-poor, good-for-nothing-but-shooting-people-in-their-farms evangelicals - it's also the country that retains the most number of hard-science scientists, most of which are extremely secular.

And that estimate usually assumes an indefinite amount of growth in baptism in the same, near exponential rate - an assumption likely to be taken by evangelicals who want to think they indeed can turn China Christian - but then if they really did, good luck for that poor country, it has even littler resource and academic legacy to waste than the US...

Did that exponential growth rate really work? well, after the 70million number of 1980s, the 2002 CIA estimate of Christians including unregistered believer goes to ... oh, 40-100 million. yeah, sounds like it works...

beebeechan

Proportion matters - with big enough of a population the same proportion of stupidity will surely grow with the population size - it doesn't matter as much as long as it's still small relative to the rest of the population.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:02

Figures showed that in 1949, there were 500,000 baptized christians out of 450 million people in China. When China opened to the west since 1980s, christians rosed to 70000000. So, Chinese are increasingly stupid in spite of the prosperity.

It is also estimated that by two more generations, China could turn into a christian country.

Nomad

The Aztecs worhshipped, beside the Sun God,  a dozen of god and goddesses.
To name a few:
CENTEOTL ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 12:47

    Flat wrong, the "Indian"/indigenous population of the entire America with a conservative estimate of 30million, declined 80% within 30 years from 1492, without a massive fleet of sea going ships to ferry enough people back to Europe for slavery, there people are disappearing into nowhere but some disgusting death.

And as for genocide - even in the 20th century the Canadian Indian residential school system still violates the UN Genocide Convention attempt by force placing Aboriginal children into, oh, Christian-run schools for assimilation - but then of course Christians won't care about that because they were not the victims.

And honestly, no English speakers would ever go around and say "you say right" ... that sound completely Cantonese.

This only suggests that SIN always accompanies human kind.....until the Judgement Day.
This has al ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 12:48

    And this statement by itself only shows that you have no capability to investigate a phenomena except from the perspective your self-righteousness belief of whatever ancient people (?)  wrote in the book you read - which might be why you really sounded pretty similar to the people who have done the Holocaust.

Nomad

Please don't fool people by trying to make Chinese christians looking low with a low percentage fi ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 12:46

So what? China is the second largest economy in the world, but no one will say Chinese are rich - there are like 1.4 billion of them sharing the same wealth.
There are also enough wiccas in US (750k) to fill up downtown Boston (~600k), you aren't ever gonna say the wicca religion is back in the picture ever will you?

Proportion matters - with big enough of a population the same proportion of stupidity will surely grow with the population size - it doesn't matter as much as long as it's still small relative to the rest of the population.


Maybe it is indeed a true statement that the only thing that matters to you is whether it's Christian Catholic.

beebeechan

Again, getting rich doesn't make a prostitute a moralist. With hundreds of years of religion and state hunt down of prostitution, drugs and gangs, all three still flourish like nobody's business - that's more like what we should ask why the "lesser" religion can't achieve

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 11:38

This only suggests that SIN always accompanies human kind.....until the Judgement Day.
This has already been told in the Bible, so nothing new and special.

beebeechan

Coz compare to the Catholics, the communists are charitable enough not to kill 90% of the Christian population everywhere on earth, and then put the rest into mercury mines at gun point giving them only coca leaves for food. Also, there was never a 200 years ban on Christianity anywhere on earth. That's pretty obvious.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 11:38

The Aztecs worhshipped, beside the Sun God,  a dozen of god and goddesses.
To name a few:
CENTEOTL
CHALCHIUHTLICUE
CHANTICO
CHICOMECOATL
CIHUACOATYL
COATLICUE
COYOLXAUHQUI
EHECATL
HUEHUETEOTL
HUITZILOPOCHTLI
ITZPZPALOTL
IXTLILTON
MACUILXOCHITL
METZTLI
MICTLAN
MICTLANTECIHUATL
MICTLANTECUHTLE
MIXCOATL
NANAUATZIN
OCOCALTZIN
OMACATL
OMETECUHLTI / OMECIHUATL
OMETOTCHTLI
OPOCHTLI
PATECATLl
PAYNAL
QUETZALCOATL
TECCIZTECATL
TEOYAOMQUI
TEPEYOLLOTL
TEPOZTECATL
TEZCATLIPOCA
TLAHUIZCALPANTECUHTLI
TLALOC
TLAZOLTEOTL
TLOQUE NAHUAQUE
TONACATECUHTLI
TONATIUH
TONANTZIN
TZITZIMIME
XILONEN
XIPE TOTEC
XIUHTECUHTLI
XOCHIPILLI
XOCHIQUETZAL
XOLOTL
YACATECUHTLI

Many of them demanded human sacrifices.
How many lifes would have lost to the worship of these gods and goddesses throughout the Aztec Empire?

You say right, it had to pull down a lot of things in order to remove such a wrongful worship.

the communists are charitable enough not to kill 90% of the Christian population
I see you have been fooled by the statement in the article:
安的列斯島原有三百萬 印第安人， 1514 年減至 14000 人，最後只剩下 200 人。
It doesnt mean a genocide must have taken place. People just moved out of that place.
There are a lot of ghost town everywhere on earth where prosperity does not flourish any more.

It was also illogicl for the priests to kill all the people. Where no people existed any more, who was left to be preached?

You should have a better thought on that.

beebeechan

Well, what can people say - it's really just somewhere below 5% of the Chinese population was even Christian, and they pretty much do no contribution to the society

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 11:38

Please don't fool people by trying to make Chinese christians looking low with a low percentage figure.
A 5% population in China being christians would mean more than 70,000,000 people. A huge number of people already larger than the size of total christians in France, (44150000) which is 98% of the population.

Nomad

If this ethnic group has been eliminated, how come we have Tenochtitlan?
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 05:19

That question sounds like why we will still have Jews after the Holocaust, the Crusades, the prosecutions, cossack massacres ... oh, they all mustn't have been done! Nice job in rewriting history, maybe the Japanese militarist should learn this...

為甚麼, 基督教, 佛教辦到的, 阿茲特克皇朝所拜的太陽神辦不到?

Coz compare to the Catholics, the communists are charitable enough not to kill 90% of the Christian population everywhere on earth, and then put the rest into mercury mines at gun point giving them only coca leaves for food. Also, there was never a 200 years ban on Christianity anywhere on earth. That's pretty obvious.

Well, what can people say - it's really just somewhere below 5% of the Chinese population was even Christian, and they pretty much do no contribution to the society except paying political tribute to United States.

Again, getting rich doesn't make a prostitute a moralist. With hundreds of years of religion and state hunt down of prostitution, drugs and gangs, all three still flourish like nobody's business - that's more like what we should ask why the "lesser" religion can't achieve.

dior13dior13

以你這個自編自導自演的故事, 宗教只要給打壓下來便會煙滅了?
不!
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/19 10:22

這不是自編自導的故事, 是個比喻,

笨蛋'聽不懂人話

beebeechan

另外, 信基督, 不等同同時也是贊同殖民地擴張主義的。兩者不是一齊都要得到的, 要A便送B的配套。

beebeechan

回復  beebeechan

不如這樣吧...反過來如果古代阿茲特克人比基督徒的勢力更強大，
然後看到基督教用火燒死異教徒，於是他們決定出手阻止，然後派兵大舉入侵羅馬。

佔領羅馬後，實施宗教政策，要求羅馬人信仰阿茲特克神，放棄他們燒死異教徒的殘酷行為，並且派阿茲特克祭司去管理基督徒。隨獨木舟出海的阿茲特克人必須有祭司陪同才可出海。

反抗的基督徒會被軍隊追捕，所有的宗教領袖被阿茲特克人軟禁，大主教被迫走上神殿中向阿茲特克神發誓發忠，人們不敢在外面唱聖詩﹑不敢戴十字架，只敢心裡默默祈禱有上帝打救他們。

其後，有些友好的部落說很想拓展勢力，故此向阿茲特克借人力幫忙；阿茲特克領袖想了想後，打算將基督徒賣給其他部落做奴隸，但條件是每接收一個奴隸都要付出相對的食物和資源。

於是，各部落紛紛牽起了奴隸熱潮(某程度上是領袖害

kyo_028168 發表於 2010/11/19 09:15

以你這個自編自導自演的故事, 宗教只要給打壓下來便會煙滅了?
不!

20世紀初, 差不多一個世紀, 共產主義夠強大未? 所到之處, 任何宗教都沒有了。
那時人們不敢在外面唱聖詩﹑不敢戴十字架，只敢心裡默默祈禱有耶神打救他們。
現在無人談共產了, 基督教, 佛教又回到舞台上哩。
宗教是人民的需要時, 打壓後也會回來,
為甚麼, 基督教, 佛教辦到的, 阿茲特克皇朝所拜的太陽神辦不到?
因為太陽神不是人民真正要的, 人民找到更可依賴的。
好的自然就會取代劣的,
係咁簡單!

dior13dior13

他聽不懂人話, 要講鬼話

dior13dior13

不如這樣吧...反過來如果古代阿茲特克人比基督徒的勢力更強大，
然後看到基督教用火燒死異教徒，於是他們決定出手阻止，然後派兵大舉入侵羅馬。

佔領羅馬後，實施宗教政策，要求羅馬人信仰阿茲特克神，放棄他們燒死異教徒的殘酷行為，並且派阿茲特克祭司去管理基督徒。隨獨木舟出海的阿茲特克人必須有祭司陪同才可出海。

反抗的基督徒會被軍隊追捕，所有的宗教領袖被阿茲特克人軟禁，大主教被迫走上神殿中向阿茲特克神發誓發忠，人們不敢在外面唱聖詩﹑不敢戴十字架，只敢心裡默默祈禱有上帝打救他們。

其後，有些友好的部落說很想拓展勢力，故此向阿茲特克借人力幫忙；阿茲特克領袖想了想後，打算將基督徒賣給其他部落做奴隸，但條件是每接收一個奴隸都要付出相對的食物和資源。

於是，各部落紛紛牽起了奴隸熱潮(某程度上是領袖害的)，大家爭相恐後地去購買這些奴隸...於是，基督徒非人的生活便開始了。


然而，有少數正義的阿茲特克祭司卻將人們的暴行記錄下來...打算日後公諸於世。


以上的行為，你應該認同吧？
大家都是在做同樣的事情喔@@
kyo_028168 發表於 2010/11/19 09:15

他聽不懂

dior13dior13

到現在還是有否認南京大屠殺的日本人,

司空見慣