dye

Notice how the thread is hijacked to other unrelated topics.

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Oh have we resort to the Christian tactic of majority view, historical view = correct view?

Yes, the earth is flat because for majority of human history, we believe the earth is flat.  If it happen that all Chinese believe the earth is flat, we can be certain that it is flat.

I am not taking side, I am just saying that we are lowering the intellectual level of the arguement to the "Christian" level.