See... dye, you should stop taunting me to use English to discuss with you XDDDD
First of all, you do realize the fact that we never had 1.3 billion people in the past right?XD
And about natural resources, it's hard, if possible, to compare China with other countries - the EU and US had been prospering beyond its limit of natural resources and technology for the last three centuries predorminately because missionaries run into African and MiddleEast countries to give them bible and rob their land. Especially for EU it is still the case to this very day - they
The case is the same for China, we've been losing tremendous natural resources since late Qing dynasty because "colonizers" (ironically, as most Christians lies to cover it up, they're predorminately missioners) had been laying waste to China's natural resources basically as bad as they were doing to the African countries. While the damage is not permenant (well, maybe semi-permenant), it is not anyone's ability to recover from all the environmental damages from a civil war, a world war, and 200 years of "colonial" abuse (I would keep quotationing that term to signify that its modern purely political formulation is by itself false)
原帖由 dye 於 2008-3-31 18:32 發表 
In the world arena, China has Japanese left over factory and tech. There is a bit of weapon left over by the Japanese too. We have Russia (and its bloc) as friends and technical support. India is initially friendly and serve as a bridge to the other side of the world. The world is busy after WWII in reconstruction, no one has much of a will to fight anyone. Japanese has give China a huge sum of charity after WWII (You can also say it is like compensation). The world economy is recovering from hell before WWII. China has a VETO in UN.
The Japanese left overs were, let's face it, pretty, left overs. The Zero fighters by then was no match with the US Jets. Russia is basically as brain drain as bull crap in terms of civilian infrastuctures, though yea, thanks to them we now have nukes, thus finally stops the missioners from coming behind the armies, well, maybe now they come behind the tourists.
The Japanese huge sum of charity is doubtful, considering the damage done in WWII.
And the China VETO in UN comes pretty late.
Though, that being said
YES, that does not take away the mistake on the communist government. But then again, mindsets are built by decades of cultivation. And we had missionaries into China since 300 years ago till today, guess what did they seed? Yea, nothing but hate. Hate to one's self. Thus the cultural revolution.
You have to realize most countries do not have that many people. Having less population create other problems as dire as over-population. Human power is an assets in and of itself. With human power, things can get done. People can make their fortune. With no human power, nothing gets done and everyone has to live with whatever they start with.
Yea, but most country you'll want to compare with China, don't have as much a problem.
Only when a person is mongering war do they speak of nationism. The time when people speak of protecting "my country" against "your country" is also time when our home (a very small place) is never in conflict with each other.
I mean, please, it's not like we've a lot of choices when Texas was speaking about "kill the atheists else for God" , German is talking "great for God and die Muslims", Japan is talking "look at all those inferior Chinese people", and even India is talking things like having a piece of their wrath.
Take the "Fishing Island" China fight with Japan for example, Chinese keep speaking of protecting their "home country" but how much will it hurt them if they let go of the island when it is not populated at all? How much would YOUR home gain from trading peacefully with Japan if we sit and coolly discuss the issue? Most of time, I see them protecting a ideology (nationalism), just like the US citizen.
See the whole problem in the Fishing Island instant is NOT as mcuh a problem of ideology but, the following,
1. literally, the fishing benefits from there. According to international law somewhere like 150km from the coastal line belongs to the country as their water territories, so the country basically has the sole fishing right in there, it also gains you strategic territory to deploy ships.
2. It's a slippery slope argument, if their country can take an island today, they'll take another tomorrow, then Taiwan, then maybe Canton. It's a prominent thinking after WWII.
3. NO, we will not gain trade advantage even if we let go everything - the Japanese government's long list of "political struggling with China" wasn't even a representation of Japanese interest, but rather a political command from the power hungrying Republicans in the US, believe it or not. After all, don't you realize how the Japanese government changes in sync of the US government?
Sorry, if I need to "remember" who I am, I am only partially Han, and hence partially Chinese. My blood has a country long lost in history, conquered by Chinese as "barbarian".
Let's face it, that Chinese is a race is A MYTH. The Country of China was at least consist of as many as 47 races like a few thousand years ago, it's only elaborate exchange within the continent that dilutes any independent gene pool, so as what is called Canton people. Plus, most major army generals in the late dynasties comes from one of "ours" (canton), so you're saying that they're all half-Chineses? 
Have you realize that the current prosperity occur after communist somewhat let go of their control over the economy (under Tang's command)? Do you realize that people have and will feed themselves if you leave them alone? Do you think China has always been in a famine before the communist? Have you heard that a China feast for a feudal lord during Ch'ing is better than a pricess wedding feast for a European country?
Wait wait now step back a bit.
The predorminant "not letting go" problem MOST western countries was talking about were enterprise ownership, currency control AND "freedom" of religion spreading (which is essentially propaganda). If you give them all these "freedom" they asked about, oh yea guess what? China will have over 80% of its property owned by priests, coperations and other governments and you think they will "take care of the people and let them feed themselves"? No, we'll be as poor as the African countries which has 90% of the population believing in Christianity and just as high percentage of people having AIDS.
Then the people will still be illiterate and even less scientific literate than HK (which has minimal scientific strength in Asia, when compared to Shanghai, Japan and Beijing). Remember, HK is scientific literate because the people who runs the education fears the communist government, without them, basically every student in HK will believe that earth is flat and evolution is a myth. Like, EVERY one.
Tang's economical reformation is not really "free", rather, it's a gradual opening of the country that relies heavily in state ownership, state controlled education and military support (YEA, the PLA has been more skillful in manufacturing, construction, dancing, passing sand bags person to person to block breaching damps and sucidal fire rescue by infantry running into the fire than fighting as an army, and dude, no kidding, among the 5 UN VETO countires, PLA is like suffering the least casualities from war (when had we fought one?) and the most casualties from flood rescue.)
If you wish a comparison in the mordern period, a typical one is India. There are the truely have-not. But, it also manage to feed itselves no matter which parties takes over, no? Is there major famine over there like in China? (Even after China defeated them in battle? Pakistan seperates and threaten them with nuke under support of China?)
No, because on the other hand, India got military support from US.
But they do block people from seeing outside.
a) Getting a VISA is not easy in China. I have been with the diplomatic group sent out by Chinese government before. These fellow are so happy to get a passport.
b) The media is censor (looking at TVB from China prove the point)
When they do let you see the world, they block the part they do not wish people to see. (Watching TVB again, will prove the point)
Just like religion, brainwashing started out in childhood. My kind of wash is in HK.
Dude let's face it. Even the US governemtn does censors quite a lot. I mean, no kidding. We too can't read some of the news from China.
Censorships has been trendy since the cold war where the US government allied with the church so that they will preach people that it does not matter even if they nuked the world. So unless you're living in a state where people will kill and die for press freedom (like Masschusetts, which is like one of the last strongholds of intellectuals admit the entire country of fundamentalist), both the state government, the church controlled white house and the local churches are doing just as much an effort in censorship as the communist government.
YES, they're not as successful in doing so because there's still that little piece of paper called constitution that flows around which will pretty surely be teared into pieces if the next president is still a Republican.
So yea, I'm pretty satisfied that the Communist Party did a pretty good job. I mean, think about it, if the party is switched to US Republicans and communism replaced by the church, we're most probably illiterate, still in proverty, and what is called China might have became a desert due to soil errosion, etc (think about how these people can screw their own country while leveling others, and that China tends not to screw someone else). |
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cheers ThANKye 
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