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係咯，所以聖教會賠十萬八萬，唔駛肉痛嘅
沙文 發表於 2011/8/28 23:24

應賠的, 千萬百萬也應賠
不應賠的, 十元八塊也是肉痛

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回復 301# beebeechan

咁您唔駛肉痛嘞
聖教會係應給的
叫雞都要找數嘛

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咁您唔駛肉痛嘞
聖教會係應給的
叫雞都要找數嘛
沙文 發表於 2011/8/28 23:40

係咪收公價 50 舍客勒銀子?

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回復 303# beebeechan

為主的緣故，法庭話幾多就幾多，冇計嘅

1Pe 2:13 你們要為主的緣故，服從人立的一切制度：或是服從帝王為最高的元首，
或是服從帝王派遣來懲罰作惡者，獎賞行善者的總督，

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議員要求公開涉性侵醜聞神父名字
2011年9月13日  
來源: 網上唐人街 文章分類: 澳洲新聞

除非主教轄區開除一名涉及性侵醜聞的阿得萊德神父，否則他的名字將會在聯邦參議院被公開。

阿得萊德大主教之管區懇求獨立參議員Nick Xenophon不要公開這名神父的名字，如果教會不在今天開除他。

該名神父是三名被指五十年前強姦阿得萊德聖公會大主教John Hepworth的神父之一。

參議員Nick Xenophon昨晚要脅把這名神父的名字公開，除非他在今天中午被開除。

這名南澳的參議員還要求開除新任的聯邦精神健康組織主管Monsignor David Cappo，因為他在2007沒有及時處理大主教John Hepworth的投訴。

一名阿得萊德大主教之管區發言人今天指教會懇求參議員Xenophon不要公開這名神父的名字。她指大主教管區已去信參議員Xenophon，表示願意盡快派出法律顧問向他簡報 。

大主教Hepworth表示對事情的發展非常痛心。他透露於2007年告訴阿得萊德大主教管區，包括大主教Philip Wilson、天主教教區代理主教和即將離職的社會包容專員David Cappo，他曾多次被三名人士性侵，其中二人已去世。

參議員Xenophon昨晚指出：「大主教Hepworth在十二年間多次被強姦，第一次發生時他只有15歲。雖然在2007年獲知事件及在2008年三月收到一份長達六頁的詳細東陳述書，David Cappo在今年告訴John Hepworth，調查仍然在初期階段。很明顯，南澳天主教會對此事件並不重視，給John Hepworth帶來更多的痛苦。」

參議員Xenophon指南澳教區的會眾在正式的調查進行時，有權受到保護，不會再受到有關神父的傷害。

星期日阿得萊德大主教管區指他們並沒有延遲調查，但正等待Hepworth的正式投訴。

http://www.chinatown.com.au/aust ... 6461&category=8

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開教會好似好揾過賣白粉

Brazil charges church leaders with embezzling millions from poor
Three leaders of Universal Church of the Kingdom of God accused of laundering cash through offshore bank accounts

Three leading members of one of Brazil's most powerful churches have been accused of laundering millions in church donations and using worshippers' money for personal gain.

The charges, unveiled on Monday by São Paulo's public prosecutor, relate to 404m reals (£150m) allegedly obtained from mostly impoverished churchgoers by leaders at Brazil's Universal Church of the Kingdom of God.

The money was subsequently channelled out of the country via a network of offshore bank accounts and money changers, federal prosecutors claimed.

Among those charged is Bishop Edir Macedo, a controversial televangelist who founded the church in 1977, and his financial director, Alba Maria Silva da Costa.

Luís Martins de Oliveira, the prosecutor behind the case, claimed followers were tricked into handing over money to the church through "false promises and threats that spiritual and economic assistance would only be bestowed upon those who made financial sacrifices for the church".

Prosecutors claim that although the church claimed to have received around £1.85bn in donations between 2003 and 2006, the actual sum could be much higher.

The charges also allege the church opened two offshore accounts in the early 1990s, in the Cayman Islands and in Jersey, to move donations out of the country.

The Universal Church was founded in northern Rio and today claims a worldwide congregation of 8 million followers.

Church leaders promote "prosperity theology" – through which committed believers are told their faith and regular, generations donations can help them achieve material wealth.

But corruption scandals, including claims that donations were used to buy luxury goods and property, have earned the church many critics.

The church's preachers are also notorious for their open hostility towards Brazil's gay community and African-Brazilian religions.

But Macedo's church also boasts huge support and packed pews have brought incredible wealth.

The church owns one of Brazil's top media outlets and "temples" in Europe, the US, Africa and Asia.

The bishop's blog is written in English, French and Spanish as well as his native Portuguese. With an estimated personal fortune of at least £1.3bn, Macedo leads the charge in promoting "prosperity theology".

Earlier this month, he directed blog readers to an interview with "the US's first billionaire" – oil tycoon John D Rockefeller.

In the blog post, Macedo pointed out that when Rockefeller died in 1937 he had accrued a fortune equivalent to 12 times that of the Microsoft founder, Bill Gates. Rockefeller had also been a generous contributor to his church, Macedo noted.

The church is currently splashing out on a replica of Solomon's Temple in São Paulo that will cost an estimated £130m.

The "mega-church" will have space for 10,000 worshippers and will house a replica of the Ark of the Covenant.

In a statement, the Universal Church rejected Monday's accusations.

"We cannot talk about something we know nothing about," the statement said.

"But from what we can tell through the media, these are the same old accusations … that have always been shown to be untrue."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/ ... zling-millions-poor

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開教會好似好揾過賣白粉
沙文 發表於 2011/9/16 08:50

    根本就係白粉，而且仲無人拉，你想唔發都幾難。

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回復 307# 抽刀斷水

製造白粉都要有專業化學知識，但開教會，連經書都用猶太佬嘅翻版，唔駛本咁滯。

同埋，人地又夠有賣白粉畀細路啦，點解總唔見毒販會雞姦顧客嘅呢？

beebeechan

根本就係白粉，而且仲無人拉，你想唔發都幾難。
抽刀斷水 發表於 2011/9/16 17:25

教會在50年代己經派白粉, 你老荳都係食白粉大

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回復 309# beebeechan

係呀。當時聖教會利用派白粉來運白秎，後來社會各界不想要聖教會派的白秎，聖教會遂開拓另類勾當

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魁省神父承認 性虐待13名男童

    1名魁省神父周一就性虐待13名兒童表示認罪，並在法庭上表示懺悔。
但受害者並未為神父拉沃伊(Rev. Raymond-Marie Lavoie)的悔罪態度所動。1名受害者雙目緊盯拉沃伊，然後說道，拉沃伊及其他涉案神父「摧毀兒童身心」，應「下地獄。」
71歲的拉沃伊被控於70年代至80年代期間，在神學院對男童性犯罪，包括性觸摸至性侵犯。拉沃伊對全部21項控罪表示認罪。
周一為本案開庭第一日，由於被告認罪。控辯雙方律師隨即開始辯論合適的刑期。
檢方律師雷歐克斯(Carmen Rioux)表示，拉沃伊最高可獲10年刑期。
性虐待受害者倡權人士則表示，再長刑期都不足夠。L'Association des Victimes de Pretres負責人碧達(France Bedard)指出，從以往經歷來看，這類刑期過於短暫。碧達說：應當修訂《刑法》。她還說，並不明白為何天主教會還在等待，不開始賠償受害者。
拉沃伊是本宗集體訴訟中被告神父之一，他將於10月份再次提堂。資料來源：加通社
http://news.singtao.ca/vancouver ... 462931d3297960.html

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父母同意牧師性侵女兒　更允許子女亂倫
2011年09月20日20:16 蘋果即時   
美國德州一對父母，竟然允許在家中借住的牧師性侵自己的12歲女兒多次，更同意自己的兒子與女兒亂倫！這對父母與獸行牧師目前已經遭到警方收押。

56歲的傑瑞與36歲的克莉斯汀娜(Jerry and Christina Ham)有三個孩子，大女兒12歲，大兒子也是12歲，小兒子8歲。傑瑞夫婦多次邀請一位68歲的牧師馬丁(Larry Gene Martin)到家中作客，並且允許金因在家中多次性侵自己的大女兒。

當警方循線逮捕馬丁時，他告訴警方：「我與女孩是真心相愛的，我要娶她」。警方更發現，傑瑞夫婦「同意並且鼓勵」同為12歲的子女發生性行為，「這是對孩童悲劇似的侵犯」。警方表示，傑瑞夫婦的這些不恰當的行為「似乎有部分的宗教因素」，目前案件仍在審理中。
http://tw.nextmedia.com/rnews/ar ... 68/IssueID/20110920
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咦，又係「宗教因素」喳，冇話係christianity, jimmy哥今次唔會又爭住認、又話打官司啦卦？睇流年個陣先生確係話我今年會犯小人惹官非，唔通就係呢單？

ali

回复312#沙文

要唔要去鹅颈桥打小人呀？

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回復 313# ali

打神父受唔受咖?

神父以看吉他为名将青年引至住处性侵(09-23 15:26)
据680News消息，遭咸美顿神父性侵的18岁男子上周日作为乐队成员之一在咸美顿St. Mary's Catholic Church教堂演出，神父以邀请青年去看自己的一把吉他为名，将他引至住处，之后对其性侵

http://www.dushi.ca/realtimenews/details.php?IndexID=2832768

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回復 314# 沙文


    古有金魚佬，想不到今天有結他神父。

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回復 315# 抽刀斷水

可能同基督教傳统有關
太4:19耶穌對他們說、來跟從我、我要叫你們得人如得金魚一樣。

案情：
煩帝肛的Department of 遺憾可能係最忙碌的部門

A Hamilton Catholic priest has been charged with sexual assault.
Father Jose Silva, 34, a popular parish priest at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church on Park Street North for the past two years, was arrested by Hamilton police Thursday afternoon.
Silva, who appeared in Hamilton court for a bail hearing Friday morning, is charged with sexual assault following a complaint about an incident during a festival held in the church courtyard Sept. 18.
He was released on a surety and will return to court Oct. 13.
Sergeant Terri-Lynn Collings said the investigation and arrest followed a complaint by an 18-year-old youth playing in a band booked at a festival in the church courtyard. At about 6:30 p.m., while the band was on a break, Collings said a priest struck up a conversation about him playing guitar. The young man was invited to the priest's residence on the parish property, to see a guitar.
“Out of respect, the man went with the priest,” Collings said. “While he was with the priest, it is alleged he was sexually assaulted.”
Collings said the young man was able to leave unharmed and immediately called police.
Silva was arrested while on duty, but away from the church.
Collings said police are not aware of any other complaints, but the incident is still under investigation.
José Gildásico de Sousa Silva, a native of Brazil, has worked in Hamilton since October 2009. He was ordained on Feb. 8, 2003.
The Diocese of Hamilton is “shocked and distressed,” to learn of the arrest, said Monsignor Vincent Kerr, chancellor of the diocese.
“He is a young, popular and enthusiastic priest who has come to us from Brazil to serve the needs of the Portuguese-speaking community in the City of Hamilton,” Kerr said in a statement. Silva came to Hamilton with “appropriate recommendations” from his Brazilian bishop and “there have been only compliments about the quality of his work during his time with us.”http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/599050--city-priest-faces-sex-assault-charge

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你這種未開庭便定罪的精神, 比性侵更恐佈。

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回復 317# beebeechan

我話「可能同基督教傳统有關」咖。即如Jim哥哥 opening guess啫

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您教會的牧師都有可能係一位 fugitive。您有冇起過佢底呀？

扶贫储金会法人代表携款85万潜逃10年做牧师2011年09月27日 14:42
来源：南方都市报         作者：祝勇 字号:T|T0人参与0条评论打印转发
南都讯 记者祝勇 实习生覃剑 她教教友唱歌跳舞，她在广东省惠东县稔山、巽寮、平海等8个镇的教堂担任牧师10年，但她同时也是一名在逃嫌犯。今年8月3日，河南省湛南救灾扶贫储金会原理事长孙海燕潜逃十多年，终于被河南和广东警方在惠东抓获。一名在逃嫌犯如何向他人传经讲道？据河南警方介绍，神学院毕业的孙海燕只能选择牧师这个职业，她的内心也经历了十多年的煎熬。

今年8月3日下午4时许，惠东县稔山镇基督教堂内，牧师孙海燕周边围坐了10多名教友。她是稔山镇唯一的牧师，该镇的基督教信众多认为她讲解水平较高。

一名民警进了教堂，与教堂主任刘道洋简单交谈几句后，让孙海燕坐上了警车。孙海燕被告知，要配合警方了解一些事情。

700多米外的稔山派出所一间办公室内，派出所罗姓副所长问了孙海燕的工作内容后，坐在旁边的两名来自河南的警察开口了，他们带有明显的河南口音。罗副所长观察到，孙海燕的脸部顿时开始抽搐。

孙海燕很快承认自己确实为在逃嫌疑犯。据惠州警方介绍，她供述了自己携款85万元从河南逃到惠东的事实。次日，孙海燕被押送回河南平顶山。

用基金违规放贷

关于孙海燕的在逃人员登记表记载，孙海燕于1995年曾任河南省湛南救灾扶贫互助储金会法人代表、理事长。在储金会营业期间，共吸收存款1253389.42元，贷出555100元，存贷差额852649.42元，孙利用职务之便携款潜逃。

河南省平顶山市公安局湛河第一分局案件侦办大队民警马功攀介绍，1995年孙海燕年仅29岁，毕业于南京某神学院的她不仅打理上述的储金会，平时也在当地教堂负责一些活动。

按国家规定，救灾扶贫互助储金会是不以营利为目的的民间互助合作组织，其在政府倡导、扶助下，村民通过资金借贷方式开展互救互助，共同解决生产生活困难。但此后，湛南救灾扶贫互助储金会等机构从事或变相从事金融信贷业务，违背国家法规。1999年，全国开始清理整顿此类储金会组织，孙海燕于2001年2月22日逃跑。

“她称自己经营不善。”据马功攀介绍，在与孙海燕的交谈中，他发现孙也对自己的“牧师”和“在逃嫌犯”两种矛盾身份一直在纠结。但孙海燕称，自己只有牧师这个工作技能，只能如此生活下去。

用介绍信求职变牧师

稔山基督教堂成立于1898年，在当地一直行善事、助他人，并与河南鲁山教会有交流互动。2001年12月，一名手持鲁山教会介绍信的女子来到稔山基督教堂，这个人就是孙海燕。南都记者获悉，鲁山是孙海燕出生地所在县，在担任储金会理事长以前，她也在鲁山一所教堂任职。

据稔山基督教堂人士介绍，2000年教堂缺少一名专职牧师，当时教会众人见其手持介绍信，且自称是南京神学院毕业，都甚是欢迎。

一位名叫黄建珍的女子告诉记者：“当年孙姐刚过来的时候，还跟我住过一段时间。她衣着简朴，就拿着一个行李箱，完全不像携款潜逃的疑犯。”和黄建珍一样，大家见孙海燕待人和善，谈吐之间也颇有涵养，从来没有对她的来历有过任何质疑。

活动较多口碑甚好

此后，孙海燕单身住在教堂，平日走访安慰信徒，周末在教堂为信徒讲解基督教义，生活都和正常人无异。一名曾经受过孙海燕帮助的信徒陈吉梅说，孙海燕曾告诉她，自己在河南期间的家庭并不幸福，家里的老公常常打她骂她，这也是她离家的原因之一，而且家中还有一个令她牵挂的年幼儿子，自己不可能再找个伴儿。

稔山基督教堂的主任刘道洋告诉南都记者：“她近几年还常常代表教会到深圳、惠州、广州、中山等地参与交流。我们稔山基督教的200多信众也没有一个不认识她的。哪里像是潜逃的人？”

据一些长期与孙海燕接触的信众所说，孙海燕一直教导他们“要爱人，要关心人，要为人舍己”。在警方来带走她之前，她还在给几位附近的信众讲解查经。

稔山基督教的一位吕先生说：“她很有文化，讲道也很受人听，最重要的是她关心人。即使她在十几年前犯过什么错误，但现在她也是个真真切切的好人，我们都信任她。”

稔山基督教堂内的一堵墙上贴满了上百张该教堂的活动照片，其中多张均有孙海燕身影。一名教堂人士介绍，孙不仅教人唱歌，也教其他人跳舞。“大家非常活跃。”

疑点1

十年不用身份证？

既然是潜逃的嫌犯，身份证必定不能正常使用，难道十年之间没有用过身份证？稔山派出所罗姓副所长表示，确实未发现孙海燕有用真人身份证，“但她办过几张假身份证。”

“我们见过她的身份证，也是‘孙海燕’，不过还是老一代的身份证。”曾经和孙海燕一起住过的小黄说。刘道洋则称，两年前孙海燕曾自称到香港旅游过几天。

稔山教堂相关人士介绍，两年前教堂特地为孙海燕加了300元工资，让她去买社保。虽然她自称已经买了社保，但无人证实她是否真办过社保手续。

疑点2

是否有过备案？

稔山教堂主任刘道洋介绍，孙海燕应该在惠东宗教主管部门备案过，她当时拿过来的河南方面的介绍信很正式。

惠东县民族宗教事务局一名负责人向南都记者证实，孙海燕作为牧师确实有在该部门备案。“但十多年前的备案，查不到是否有案底这样的信息”。
http://news.ifeng.com/society/1/detail_2011_09/27/9505438_0.shtml

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Priest pleads guilty to stealing from parish

Published: Sunday, October 9, 2011 1:29 AM MDT
LAS VEGAS (AP) — A Roman Catholic priest who headed one of the largest church congregations in Nevada pleaded guilty Friday to federal fraud charges and admitted siphoning $650,000 from his parish gift shop, votive candle collection, prayer funds and bank accounts, authorities said.

Monsignor Kevin McAuliffe pleaded guilty Friday in U.S. District Court in Las Vegas to three mail fraud charges, U.S. Attorney Daniel Bogden said.

McAuliffe, 58, headed St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Church in Summerlin and served on the Las Vegas Diocese financial committee from 2006 to 2010. He admitted in a plea memorandum that he took the money from 2002 to 2010, Bogden said in a statement.

He could face up to 60 years in prison and a $750,000 fine at sentencing Jan. 6 before U.S. District Judge James Mahan, Bogden said.

The diocese said McAuliffe had been removed as pastor of the church in northwest Las Vegas and relieved of Diocese duties.

“The diocese and parish have been cooperating fully with federal authorities,” diocese Bishop Joseph Pepe said in a statement.

Pepe, head of the regional church administration since 2001, said church administrators were “fully engaged in the handling of this matter internally.”

The accounting firm Bradshaw Smith was hired to conduct a forensic financial audit after the FBI notified church officials of the investigation in June, diocese spokeswoman Rachel Wilkinson said.

Wilkinson said the allegations involved the parish only and not accounts belonging to the diocese.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported in June that McAuliffe, who was at the church since 1997, had been placed on leave as head of the 7,000-family congregation while an “allegation of a financial nature” was investigated.

In September, the Rev. James Jankowski, interim pastor of the church, published a plea in the church newsletter for parishioners to be patient.

Bogden said McAuliffe held a key position of financial responsibility at the parish, with access to church cash and bank accounts, and the authority to reimburse himself for items charged to his personal credit card.

The monsignor admitted “taking cash from the gift shop, the votive candle collection, the missions and novenas fund and the general bank account,” Bogden said, and hid the moves by underreporting parish income to the diocese.

McAuliffe also served on the Las Vegas Diocese financial committee and was a signatory to 2008, 2009 and 2010 financial statements sent to the Catholic Archdiocese in San Francisco, Bodgen said.

Friday’s plea agreement came before an indictment was filed, and a record of the case was not immediately posted on the court’s online record-keeping system.
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