beebeechan

Coz compare to the Catholics, the communists are charitable enough not to kill 90% of the Christian population everywhere on earth, and then put the rest into mercury mines at gun point giving them only coca leaves for food. Also, there was never a 200 years ban on Christianity anywhere on earth. That's pretty obvious.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 11:38

The Aztecs worhshipped, beside the Sun God,  a dozen of god and goddesses.
To name a few:
CENTEOTL
CHALCHIUHTLICUE
CHANTICO
CHICOMECOATL
CIHUACOATYL
COATLICUE
COYOLXAUHQUI
EHECATL
HUEHUETEOTL
HUITZILOPOCHTLI
ITZPZPALOTL
IXTLILTON
MACUILXOCHITL
METZTLI
MICTLAN
MICTLANTECIHUATL
MICTLANTECUHTLE
MIXCOATL
NANAUATZIN
OCOCALTZIN
OMACATL
OMETECUHLTI / OMECIHUATL
OMETOTCHTLI
OPOCHTLI
PATECATLl
PAYNAL
QUETZALCOATL
TECCIZTECATL
TEOYAOMQUI
TEPEYOLLOTL
TEPOZTECATL
TEZCATLIPOCA
TLAHUIZCALPANTECUHTLI
TLALOC
TLAZOLTEOTL
TLOQUE NAHUAQUE
TONACATECUHTLI
TONATIUH
TONANTZIN
TZITZIMIME
XILONEN
XIPE TOTEC
XIUHTECUHTLI
XOCHIPILLI
XOCHIQUETZAL
XOLOTL
YACATECUHTLI

Many of them demanded human sacrifices.
How many lifes would have lost to the worship of these gods and goddesses throughout the Aztec Empire?

You say right, it had to pull down a lot of things in order to remove such a wrongful worship.

the communists are charitable enough not to kill 90% of the Christian population
I see you have been fooled by the statement in the article:
安的列斯島原有三百萬 印第安人， 1514 年減至 14000 人，最後只剩下 200 人。
It doesnt mean a genocide must have taken place. People just moved out of that place.
There are a lot of ghost town everywhere on earth where prosperity does not flourish any more.

It was also illogicl for the priests to kill all the people. Where no people existed any more, who was left to be preached?

You should have a better thought on that.

beebeechan

Again, getting rich doesn't make a prostitute a moralist. With hundreds of years of religion and state hunt down of prostitution, drugs and gangs, all three still flourish like nobody's business - that's more like what we should ask why the "lesser" religion can't achieve

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 11:38

This only suggests that SIN always accompanies human kind.....until the Judgement Day.
This has already been told in the Bible, so nothing new and special.

beebeechan

Proportion matters - with big enough of a population the same proportion of stupidity will surely grow with the population size - it doesn't matter as much as long as it's still small relative to the rest of the population.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:02

Figures showed that in 1949, there were 500,000 baptized christians out of 450 million people in China. When China opened to the west since 1980s, christians rosed to 70000000. So, Chinese are increasingly stupid in spite of the prosperity.

It is also estimated that by two more generations, China could turn into a christian country.

beebeechan

    Flat wrong, the "Indian"/indigenous population of the entire America with a conservative estimate of 30million, declined 80% within 30 years from 1492, without a massive fleet of sea going ships to ferry enough people back to Europe for slavery, there people are disappearing into nowhere but some disgusting death.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:24

You put all the blame for the decrease in population to the executions by the Spanish.
People disappeared just because they were shipped out, as you have mentioned.
People died being exposed to new virus like smallpox and cowpox brought in by the Spanish.
People fled into the forest to escape wars, so they could not be counted.

'People disappearing into nowhere' would mean just victims of killing to you?

beebeechan

And that estimate usually assumes an indefinite amount of growth in baptism in the same, near exponential rate - an assumption likely to be taken by evangelicals who want to think they indeed can turn China Christian - but then if they really did, good luck for that poor country, it has even littler resource and academic legacy to waste than the US...

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:44

We do not live that long to see that.
The math tells us so.

beebeechan

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

Are you saying that the Spanish were bringing smallpox and cowpox into Latin America on purpose?
Was it a set up to bring the Empire down?
I do not see the Spanish knowingly bring the virus to cause devastating loss of the indigenous population.

beebeechan

I would bet if the world rage wars on every Christian nation, slaughter their people, destroy their public hygiene system and get the rest into an environment where they will be infected by disease like black death or ebola or something, the Christians like you would be the first among people to jump up and say this is genocide.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

I have no interest to argue with you base on an imagined picture in your stupid mind.

beebeechan

Again, if you want to convince people that you would care about anything other than whether it's Christian, you might as well try harder.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/19 13:57

And honestly , I do not quite understand what you would trying to say in the above passage, not because I am not true English speaking.

beebeechan

係人都知16, 17世紀殖民地擴張是侵略所為,
在拉丁美洲是, 在亞洲也是.
這點無需論.
也不是新發現

beebeechan

指著別人的鼻子, 自己卻不照鏡子
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/19 15:52

照鏡?
小心有人故意俾塊鏡你照, 等你看不清真相咋。

我個樣雖然不是天下第一靚模, 都不至如此「驚嚇」罷。

beebeechan

　　大約在那個時候，一位西班牙的征服者聽到謠傳，在南端很遠處有一個大帝國，建築物覆蓋著黃金，人們的富 ...
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/19 21:39

看來你是不懂, 不能, 無力討論耶?
轉轉貼貼當回應了?
有口難言耶

beebeechan

回復  beebeechan
你是認真的嗎?
要把整個印加民族都殺光才叫惡行啊?
Login 發表於 2010/11/19 20:08

那印加民族殺光四周的小民族, 這條數需不需要算?
因為沒有一個傳教士德拉斯卡薩斯（B. de las Casas）詳盡地記下來, 所以....不用算了?
眼不見為乾淨

你也是認真的嗎?

beebeechan

基狗
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/19 23:18

你的長相, 愈來愈似 C 眼文


人未老, 料又無, 口材又唔好

beebeechan

Quick hand answer is, while the Spaniards did not deliberately bring the virus into America, they deliberately destroyed the Aztec Empire's infrastructure and maintained their occupation even after the infection is acknowledged. With cities burnt down and people in servitude it is awfully unlikely that the Aztec people would get even basic healthcare (pre-Colombian standard). Now that pretty much fits every definition of genocide.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/20 00:30

The Spanish colonization of the Latin American was a conquest. Would there be any conquest that do not involve killing , plunder and burning down of things?
It was a crime, no doubt.

beebeechan

This line itself gave away that it is really because you aren't fluent in English.
Nomad 發表於 2010/11/20 00:19

It is not a crime  to be "aren't fluent in English.".

beebeechan

    That's like saying just because there's a certain Oskar Schindler from the Nazi party, Nazi party must be a great thing.
T
Nomad 發表於 2010/11/20 00:32

It would be the same stupid to say WWII was a Holy War, a religious war..just because Hitler was a Catholic.

beebeechan

回復  beebeechan
轉轉貼貼當回應了? 轉轉貼貼已經回應的很清楚了,怎麼還會看不懂?
如果是你白痴的因數所 ...
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/20 00:29

廢物一個, 強詞奪理, 胡亂貼文

beebeechan

This line itself gave away that it is really because you aren't fluent in English.
Nomad 發表於 2010/11/20 00:19

慘得過你中文都唔識打囉. (如果是識打, 而懶打, 仲衰多一重!!!!)
係咪中國人來架?
乜中國人同中國人講野要用英文? 仲要鬥邊個英文好一點?
悲劇來咋.

beebeechan

精神病患者有一個共通點:
經常不停重復某一兩句話.

beebeechan

基督教是侵略她們南美全部民族, 其中包括你口裡說的那些小族,
對於侵略了南美洲各地的印地安部落, 眼 ...
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/20 11:24

你現身就好了,
我真係認真架

拿..篇文係你貼的, 我有唔明呀!

文中話:
西班牙征服者每征服一個地方便宣佈一道命令，用最殘酷的死刑和武力脅迫當地土著皈依基督教，並接受西班牙國王的統治，拒不服從者，立刻被屠殺。安的列斯島原有三百萬 印第安人， 1514 年減至 14000 人，最後只剩下 200 人。
安的列斯島Antilles  是荷屬殖民地, 何以與西班牙扯上關係?
西班牙的水手士兵怎可以在荷蘭人佔有的安的列斯島上屠殺和講天主教?
荷蘭不是基督新教的嗎?

唔答我唔緊要架
對貼文的九翕, 眼不見也為乾淨