prussianz

原帖由 Guest from 218.208.230.x 於 2008-2-18 01:36 發表
因為基督教盡得他幕後主子撒旦的真傳

善於 “  偽裝  ”

My Fair Lady 小妹 ,

couldest thou please include this point in thy summarisationnal list as well ?

cheers ThANKye , pendragon

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prussianz

原帖由 weakest 於 2008-2-18 23:00 發表
Also, Christianity would provide an incentive for the believers to fulfill the obligations of citizens (e.g. paying tax). "該撒之物歸之於該撒，上主之物歸之於上主"ma...

As such, it provides a useful too ...

new point , unique point ,

Jom:
For that point, I refer to some of the believers (especially those whoare controlled). If this combines with my point in post #45, would itbe a more complete story?

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prussianz

原帖由 Guest from 218.111.36.x 於 2008-2-18 22:59 發表
數百年前
基督徒屠殺印第安人、掠奪土地以實現基督教屹立千年不倒的理想

百年前
基督徒暗地裡協助西方列強以鴉片毒害中國民眾、又自導自演化身神子民再出現解救中國民眾 以實現基督教屹立千年不倒的理想

往後
基督徒又會以何種血腥手段去維護基督教屹立千年不倒的理想 ﹖﹖

百年後 ,
this time ,
1 of 'the ways which they would : ::::::::::
基督徒 , with 西方列強's financial 協助 , 暗地裡 ,
via tvb or atv [[[[[[[[[ or anything such-alike ]]]]]]]]]
via those non-Christian-like Christiannised tvprogrammes , 毒害中國民眾

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prussianz

原帖由 沙文 於 2008-2-18 06:40 發表
拿，我一早話過:
http://exchristian.hk/forum/view ... 1238&extra=page%3D3

呢兩條真理之所「終極」，係因為如果有上帝的話，連上帝都服從。
今次此條thread涉及者，主要係第2條：Murphy's Law

大秦景教能屹立X年不倒，冇錯 ...

sorry , there'r just too many posts under that thread , + , i have so limitted time, ..........

so ,
couldest thou do a little bit of summary of 'the 2條 ??

cheers ThANKye

訪客得得b

人類正在“尋求”醫治愛滋病的方法；人類亦從遠古就在“尋求”神。

“尋求醫治愛滋病的方法”與“尋求神”都是在尋求，

前者是一種理想，存有成功機會的。而後者則不會成功，永遠只是幻想。

既然兩者存在着嚴重的根本性分歧，將幻想說成是“尋求”並不適當。

小妹

oops...遺漏了, 對不起.
不過請問一句: 幻想中這3個字為何如此重要?

1. 有人於獨立思考/批判思考等方面天真及傻.
2. fear of punishment after death, and the reward after-life
3. 人的奴性以及依賴性萬年不變
4. 人從起初已經在幻想中尋求"神"
5. 社會的發展, 並未能填補人心靈的需要. 基督教的神卻提供了這方面的滿足.
6. 有人利用宗教上的權力企圖得到更多其他權力.
7. 殺戮江湖﹐搶奪市場 (沒錯, 這是史實)

訪客得得b

再重申一次，人從起初已經在幻想中尋求"神"

小妹

dye, 你的意思是有些人從小被灌輸宗教思想, 根深柢固, 長大後也不思考就盲從嗎?
這如何跟evolution扯上關係? 可否再說明多一點?

1. 有人於獨立思考/批判思考等方面天真及傻.
2. fear of punishment after death, and the reward after-life
3. 人的奴性以及依賴性萬年不變
4. 人從起初已經在尋求"神"
5. 社會的發展, 並未能填補人心靈的需要. 基督教的神卻提供了這方面的滿足.
6. 有人利用宗教上的權力企圖得到更多其他權力.
7. 殺戮江湖﹐搶奪市場 (沒錯, 這是史實)

原帖由 小妹 於 2008-2-19 12:04 發表
各位,  跟據你們的意見現將個list修改如下.

now,
1. 有人於獨立思考/批判思考等方面天真及傻.
2. fear of punishment after death, and the reward after-life
3. 人的奴性以及依賴性萬年不變
4. 人從起初已經在尋求"神"
5. 社會的發展, 並未能填補人心靈的需要. 基督教的神卻提供了這方面的滿足.
6. 有人利用宗教上的權力企圖得到更多其他權力.

7. 殺戮江湖﹐搶奪市場

請加上﹐請尊重史實

weakest

沙老大, 唔駛咁謙wor. 你的努力不懈, 又何只一個post lei?

http://exchristian.hk/forum/view ... &extra=page%3D1

基督教屹立兩千年來至今一大原因係因為 “ 殺戮別人、殺戮別教 ‘

為何基督徒到現在都不願承認 呢﹖

被殺的人真係咁賤 ﹖連豬狗都不如 ﹖﹖

要基督徒承認錯誤真係咁難 ﹖

基督徒 ﹐你有良知的嗎 ﹖

沙文

講咗自己係基督徒未必係基督徒嘛 -- M2被您問幾時開始信聖經。咁您又唔話佢知您幾時開始信聖經？究竟您地兩位邊位當聖經流？
我向來努力不懈為聖經尋找證據，您做咩監硬幫我諗埋聖經係流？
http://exchristian.hk/forum/view ... &extra=page%3D1

小妹

原帖由 沙文 於 2008-2-19 19:00 發表
拿，所以我話作反嘅多數係籠裡雞！
堡壘係最容易由內部攻破嘅，所以M2真係最好計

係囉, 沙文, 你地又話自己唔信既, 又成日搬聖經出泥作證據. 咪由內部攻破囉.
我一早講左自己係基督徒啦, 幫你諗埋先話聖經係流之嘛, 唔代表本人立場.

weakest

Welcome back.

  By the way, would this suggests that this by-product would be eventually be elminiated in long run?

回復 65# 的帖子
我都好想劈埋一份. 第一個答又唔見佢感動...

沙文

拿，所以我話作反嘅多數係籠裡雞！
堡壘係最容易由內部攻破嘅，所以M2真係最好計

小妹

M2:  你問, "點解小妹唔計我個答案既？"
拿...我好認真咁睇過你既答案, 而家好認真咁答返你...
第一, 你引述既經文原意是否如你所解---- "當信徒人數超過2分1基督教就會倒下"呢? 這個有待商榷.
第二, 你幾時咁信聖經架? 而家呢度唔係當聖經係流既咩??

沙文

原帖由 M2 於 2008-2-18 22:44 發表
共有4種說法：
1. 重婚、
2. 娶繼室、
3. 古實女子 = 西坡拉 (佢唔係埃及人，係米甸人)
4. 西坡拉早已被休。
http://www.ccbiblestudy.org/Old%20Testament/04Num/04CT12.htm
http://www.pcchong.net/Numbers/Numbers6.htm

唔駛捨近求遠，最近既穆斯林就係屋企既印傭。安坐家中都可以宣教既。

點解小妹唔計我個答案既？

係咯，有四餸任揀，我就揀第一味，冇超出貴教釋經範圍喎。
現時教徒人數已嚴重落後於1/3人口，府上有幾多個印傭呀，真係咁多家務要做，請成92萬個印傭？您開支都幾大下喎

唔駛upset，貴教辦事作風係咁咖啦 -- 唔係多得滯就係唔夠 -- 摩西婚姻狀况嘅真相就多得滯，點解歷年來伊斯蘭人口追唔上貴教之原因就唔夠
但係兄您唔駛upset，總有細佬陪您 -- 我一樣係因為某種不明原因被ignored嘅

dye

The above is dye.. back to HKSAR

I think Richard Dawkins has it best.

When an old man/woman talk to a child in a serious tone about something, evolution will have the child memorize it regardless of what it really is.  It is an evolution adaption vital to survival that is hijacked.  Orginally, this trait is an adaptation used to teach the young vital skill on survival.

In medievil time, the Church control most of the education facility of Europe.  When America is "discovered"/"invaded", the Church ALSO control most of the education facility.  When Australia is "discovered"/"invaded" the Church ALSO control most of the education facility.  See a trend here?  The Catholic Church is known to kidnap infidel children to be "taught" in their school.

Now.  The Muslim country has a religious school that every children there must attend.  They will need to memorize the Qur'an (a version of bible, really).  The end result is a country of Muslim.

The Hindu lack such a system.  Instead, the stuff is home taught.  When the muslim invaded, the country nearly turn into a muslim country.

Budism?  They also have school system controlled.  Check out Chinese or Japanese history.  Fortunately (unfortinately if you are a Budhist), the grip is comparatively loose for this religion.

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Here is some experiment I heard concerning religion

In experiement, pigeaon has been conditioned to develope a religion for turning their neck by mere suspicion.  (A religion of turning its' neck)

Janpanese monkeys has been conditioned to wash their fruit without knowing the reason behinf it.  (Hence a religion of washing everything they eat)

Some pacific islander have also been conditioned to believe Prince Charles is a God (accidentally by American GI).  If I am not mistaken, the religion is still there on the island.  Show you how difficult it is to correct the message, once the "noise" is mixed into it.

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Think of religion like a virus (good or bad), in Dawkins word, like a meme.

I think it can be added to your reason as a scientific view of how it spreads.

7. It is a by-product of evolution.  A misfiring, just like people who masterbrate when nature is really interested in reproduction. (or people who are on opium, when the evolution of the pleasure system is intended for something totally different - like feed yourself!)

訪客得得b

小妹於６５的發言：

各位,  跟據你們的意見現將個list修改如下.

now,
1. 有人於獨立思考/批判思考等方面天真及傻.
2. fear of punishment after death, and the reward after-life
3. 人的奴性以及依賴性萬年不變
4. 人從起初已經在尋求"神"
5. 社會的發展, 並未能填補人心靈的需要. 基督教的神卻提供了這方面的滿足.
6. 有人利用宗教上的權力企圖得到更多其他權力.

b：
第４點： 人從起初已經在尋求"神"。
必需講清楚，是源於幻想的尋求。
如小妹不願修改，請勿引用本人意見。