基督教

抽刀斷水

最近在收音機聽到以下一首歌，我之前都知道這首歌是離教者林夕對基督教的「神」的激烈控訴，仔細留意歌詞，特別有意思。

與神對話
作曲：S. Suyama 填詞：林夕 編曲/監製：舒文
＊我想我問我在和誰對話
　告訴你我看見的真實吧
　我思我在最後誰能答話
　只得你會永遠講公道話＊

靜靜用六日創造萬物製造明暗
誰能信奉神也換來庇佑憐憫
→明指是創世記創造天地的神，而不是其他神祇。「神看著一切所造的都甚好。有晚上，有早晨，是第六日。」創1:31

不過為何由凡人
在宇宙萬物裡負重大責任　被判做主人
→為何只由人來管理世上各種生物？「要生養眾多，遍滿地面，治理這地，也要管理海裡的魚、空中的鳥，和地上各樣行動的活物。 」創1:28

某個角落貧民　離棄你教訓
→某些基督徒經常說基督教國家較為富裕，其實是假的。
http://club.backchina.com/main/viewthread.php?tid=607886&extra=&page=1

還是從沒傳道人去附近傳頌你全能
→說明宗教的地域性限制，身處阿富汗、伊朗的人，如沒有基督教傳教士，斷不會無緣無故相信基督教。這代表某單一宗教並非自然成為世界性真理。

人類太軟弱無能
看誰能在地獄裡變成佛

神呀你曾說個個也有罪
而我但求活著沒有戴面具
→為神而說謊：
http://www.amazon.com/Telling-Lies-God-Reason-Creationism/dp/009182852X
http://www.snopes.com/religion/religion.asp

講我想講不致生活於甚麼恐懼
→恐懼是宗教的基礎　～羅素
http://exchristian.hk/home/article/show/21

依足給我的箭咀　奮鬥再去入睡
忘記世界靠誰去控制秩序
誰去惹我們發笑再落淚
→聖笑：http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M

誰引誘我犯罪　誰設計散或聚
→參看：神如何向我們顯明祂的愛？
http://www.atypical-christianity.com/god_love_abc/ 7. 原罪的真確性

請你給我解答所有苦水

＃我想我問我在和誰對話
　告訴你我看見的虛幻吧
　我思我在最後誰能答話
　請寬恕我對你的衝撞吧＃

活在慾望下　我們成為愛情人質
但上帝未曾徵詢過我們同意
→「你們和不信的原不相配，不要同負一軛。義和不義有什麼相交呢﹖光明和黑暗有什麼相通呢﹖」林後6:14

可以成為情人誰話過事
命運裡並未話過事　就似是政治
世界滿是憾事　人要靠意志
還是人類來學神　你全憑權力說道義
和睦靠炸藥維持
對敵時仍然用上你名義
→十字軍東征：http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%81%E5%AD%97%E8%BB%8D%E6%9D%B1%E5%BE%81

神愛世人　你我卻愛快樂
除愛以外　就是為吃喝玩樂
一世一生　瑣碎短暫貪甚麼收穫
望著罪人在行樂　你也會怕寂寞
輪到爾國降臨世界要落幕
忘記了我們也信仰過佛學
忘記了政治學　忘記上過了大學
等你賞賜得救的處方
→天國的情況，是沒有記憶、沒有其他信仰、學說，只是天天的「我愛主」歌誦及唱詩？

prussianz

>> 最近在收音機聽到以下一首歌，

which channel ?
which programme ?
which dj ?
who sang it ?

>> 我之前都知道這首歌是離教者林夕對基督教的「神」的激烈控訴，
激烈.....
林夕....
林夕.... ,
so much more braver than my imagination ,
so much more braver than me ....
how can i b so chicken ? ....

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-5 01:46 編輯 ]

抽刀斷水

甚麼台和DJ我就不知道，這首歌是數年前許志安所唱的快歌，我一直懷疑許志安與鄭秀文的一軛關係，曾向林夕訴苦而寫成的，尤其是這段的形容：

活在慾望下　我們成為愛情人質
但上帝未曾徵詢過我們同意
可以成為情人誰話過事
命運裡並未話過事　就似是政治

You are not chicken... 人要謀生，暫時基督教的（歧視）勢力還很大。

prussianz

>>>> You are not chicken...

ThANKye4condolence ,

林夕....
許志安.....
they have much more stakes on table than me , i.e.
they should have known clearly they having the large Christian audience @ that time ,
they should have known clearly their Christian audience might b offended if they do it ,
but ,
they did it
they did still have done it ,
bravo ,
brave ,
real brave ,
real more worth of me to pay them more best-respect ....

prussianz

>> 暫時
>> 基督教的（歧視）勢力還很大

>> 暫時
sorry , My Dear Sir , their influence must b 4ever
big too big

抽刀斷水

原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-1-5 16:24 發表
>> 暫時
>> 基督教的（歧視）勢力還很大

>> 暫時
sorry , My Dear Sir , their influence must b 4ever
big too big

比較以前，教會／教皇勢力明顯減弱了。

prussianz

原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-7 09:45 發表

比較以前，教會／教皇勢力明顯減弱了。

may b ,
but ,
only from too strong ----------> strong , i.e. still strong ,

what concerns me most : :::::
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they'r much more cleverer than their pre-cursors ,
they now do it sweetly + softly + invisibly
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they know the marketting the supermarketting ,
they know the repackaging ,
they know the rebranding ,
they know how 2 `````manage"""" tv e.t.c. , e.g. : : T.V.B. , 'the rat cant b smelled out even by exChristians hk ,
,
they know how 2 produce the supreme-quality's tv-programme ,
e.g. those
about Noah's Ark or
about JeruSalem .........

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.2.
in hk , u know ,
they'r regarded generally by
all the general public +
all the general western media
as the re-incarnation[[representation]] of justice , e.g. : :::::
My Dear 陳日君樞機
http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E9%99%B3%E6%97%A5%E5%90%9B&variant=zh-tw#.E5.90.8C.E6.80.A7.E6.88.80.E5.95.8F.E9.A1.8C
[[[[[[[[[ i'm not gay ]]]]]]]]]

同性戀問題陳日君反對同性戀，因為同性戀有違天主教教義，並在公教報發表了一篇反對同性戀的文章，結果引來一群支持同性戀人士衝入教堂內高叫口號和抗議。他被指責在人權問題上採取雙重標準──反對獨裁和支持弱勢社群同時卻歧視同性戀者的權益。 [1] [2] [3]

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世貿爭議在世貿示威期間，陳主教批評警方處理示威遊行的方式是「香港之恥」，引起各界批評。一班退休警一度擬到主教座堂抗議，陳主教於是在公教報讚揚前線警員，又指「香港之恥」是指警方高層。接著，兩個警員公會去信教宗本篤十六世投訴陳主教，而陳主教就指香港存在「向上奉承」的不良文化。此外，南韓農民則發表聲明感謝陳主教的支援，並多謝陳主教給予各被捕人士一千元紅包。有韓農家屬亦在法院上對陳主教鞠躬致敬。

>> 此外，
>> 南韓農民則發表聲明感謝陳主教的支援，
>> 並多謝陳主教給予各被捕人士一千元紅包。
>> 有韓農家屬亦在法院上對陳主教鞠躬致敬。

>> 並多謝陳主教給予各被捕人士一千元紅包。
what ????????? not bribery ?????????



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[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-1-7 13:39 編輯 ]

weakest

Also, in their control of many of famous schools, many high quality students (by competition, the student who can enter to the famous schools should be the best) are "brain-wash-ed" by Christian belief. In fact, many people I know said they believe in Christianity since they believe there is a creator/ there is a God. However, the word "God" is not copyright-ed by Christianity. There are so many "God"s in other religions and can use the name of "God" to describe the entity that people worship (otherwise, why don't the Christianity say that other religion 侵權?). Many students could just heard of Christianity as the only religion available for them, and therefore have the concept of "God" = "Christian God" in there mind, which is inappropriate ("God" can also be Islamic God, etc.).
  This effect is very difficult to deal with since the famous schools have established a good brand name in the history. According to the good history of the famous schools, the best students would choose the famous schools, and thus the result of the famous schools in public exams would be the best, which in turn would attract the best students to apply for the famous school again. It seems that the cycle is difficult to be broken unless there is a revolution in the education system....

prussianz

>> the famous [[Christian]]schools have established a good brand
oyes
o yes ,
indeed
indeep ,
the whole Christiannity +
the whole Christiannities , any church , 天主教 , e.t.c.
have established each of themselves as
````````` the good brand """"""""
in the course of history ,
so regarded + respected generally by ,
any general public +
buddhism +
taoism + even by
triads e.t.c.

prussianz

>> 此外，
>> 南韓農民則發表聲明感謝陳主教的支援，
>> 並多謝陳主教給予各被捕人士一千元紅包。
>> 有韓農家屬亦在法院上對陳主教鞠躬致敬。

>> 並多謝陳主教給予各被捕人士一千元紅包。
>> 並多謝陳主教給予各被捕人士一千元紅包。
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so ,
u c [[[[[ you see ]]]] ,
i do really have real hard evidence to support my own allegation
that : :
>>>> they'r regarded generally by
>>>> all the general public +
>>>> all the general western media
>>>> as the re-incarnation[[representation]] of justice , e.g. : :::::
>>>> My Dear 陳日君樞機

抽刀斷水

基督教深懂市場策略、包裝及銷售之道，尤其是它搶佔了培殖兵工廠的教育事業，比較其他宗教，當然更為吸引和具優勢。

不過，隨著香港越來越多的相反聲音浮現，包括林夕，還有黃偉文（他作過《零號》給楊千嬅唱，當時很多教會都反對），已幾乎壟斷了粵語流行音樂了。同時，亦經常有反對教會的電影出現，近期除了著名的《魔幻羅盤》外，原來杜汶澤監製《破事兒》亦有暗諷基督教的成分，經歷過基督教的人看罷就會會心微笑，可惜的是不真正懂得基督教的人（包括許多教徒）卻並不知道正在諷刺基督教。

當然，網上的力量亦不可看小。

從前的一切言論封鎖，到今天已逐漸被瓦解了。

鹿鳴

11# 抽刀斷水

網上哪兒可聽回這首歌？我未聽過！

抽刀斷水

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lamdragon

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thanks

yurihung

Youtube 咩都有XD ↓

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=QvBqdDuUlCQ

鹿鳴

15# yurihung

謝謝大家！