dior13dior13

我就是在問你為何西班牙人要屠殺右邊不屬他管治地區的人去逼左邊是他管治的人信教?

白痴的你, 只是愈回愈白痴囉
無眼睛....?
慘得過你有眼不能看哩.
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/21 23:57

安地列斯群島就成為了歐洲人的殖民地。先後有西班牙、英國、荷蘭及法國的殖民者到來爭奪殖民地，而本來的原住民被歐洲人帶來的瘟疫所滅絕，今天居住在這片土地的大多為歐洲人及其奴隸的後裔。
維基百科 安地列斯群島
http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E5%AE%89%E7%9A%84%E5%88%97%E6%96%AF%E7%BE%A4%E5%B3%B6


西班牙先的，

智障




蒙特蘇馬的姪子庫伊德拉瓦克（Cuitláuac）在登基四個月後便因為西班牙人帶來的天花而死去。帝國最後的皇帝庫奧赫特莫克（Cuautémoc，蒙特蘇馬的姪子，時年18歲）登基。1521年4月28日，西班牙人及其盟軍開始作最後的圍攻；在經過長時間的圍城和大部份人口都死於饑餓與天花的情況下，1521年8月13日，皇帝庫奧赫特莫克終於向征服者克爾特茲（Hernán Cortés）的500人西班牙軍隊和15－20萬底拉斯卡拉盟軍投降。1525年2月26日，他被西班牙人絞死。帝國的人口也因為各式傳染病從1500萬迅速下降到300萬，首都特諾奇提特蘭也被燒成平地。現在墨西哥的首都墨西哥城是在特諾奇提特蘭的廢墟上重新建立的。
維基百科 阿茲特克
http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E9%98%BF%E8%8C%B2%E7%89%B9%E5%85%8B


阿茲特克人1521年8月13日終於向西班牙人投降不是信教．
殖民者受洗是侵略的第一步，白痴
1525年後中美洲到處都有奴隸被迫臨洗　
安的列斯群島原有三百萬 印第安人，那是一五一四年前安德列斯島作者未提背風以東已西海域島嶼部分年間發生的事
當安的列斯群島成了歐洲人來到互相爭奪的殖民地．

dior13dior13

終於，安寧了．（細拉）

beebeechan

而本來的原住民被歐洲人帶來的瘟疫所滅絕，
.....

1525年2月26日，他被西班牙人絞死。帝國的人口也因為各式傳染病從1500萬迅速下降到300萬，
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/22 00:12

怎麼現在又轉口了, 印第安原著民人口減少不是因屠殺了嗎?
明白到也是由外來瘟疫而起了嗎?
或者...一人讓一步哩,
又有在戰爭中給殺, 也有是死於天花..好嗎?

多了解實際上是發生過甚麼事, 總好過一直都給別人的胡扯牽著鼻子走好囉。

beebeechan

1525年2月26日....帝國的人口也因為各式傳染病從1500萬迅速下降到300萬，
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/22 00:12


(2)就以墨西哥被征服的頭十五年中，就有四百萬多印第安人被迫洗禮。

看, 上邊兩句又有矛盾了囉
15年內人口就飆升一百萬? 勁!!!!!!!!!!

天主教方濟各會報告： 1536 年墨西哥人受洗者有 500 萬，到 1540 年受洗者巳超過 900 萬。

說明帝國人口在皇朝倒下時給屠殺至只剩下300萬之說是極到誇張, 吹水.
(除非是死了的印第安人回魂受洗罷)

beebeechan

終於，安寧了．（細拉）
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/22 01:03

再無人狗翕, 亂貼文, 道聽塗說, 人云亦云, .......咁就安寧。

dior13dior13

怎麼現在又轉口了, 印第安原著民人口減少不是因屠殺了嗎?
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/22 04:04

我哪有這樣說？舉出來！

beebeechan

我哪有這樣說？舉出來！
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/22 13:55

嘿,...
你引用的甚麼百科...說明印第安人是死於瘟疫

又一次說明你引文, 卻不知文是在說甚麼!
麻煩你下一次引文前先望一望內容好無????

我哪有這樣說？
你當然不懂自己說話哩, 你只懂剪貼,,.,.貼呀貼呀

beebeechan

又是在貼呀,...貼呀
現在還不止, 要炒冷飯?
連貼新的也不能了????

beebeechan

我寫的是在第三頁５７樓：
事實上，皮薩羅之能如此輕易征服印加帝國，是因為當他抵達庫斯科時，有60％甚或90％以上的印加人已經死亡。
.
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/22 14:04

挑.....
這更加談不上是由殖民者所屠殺哩!
我未來前, 人早已死了, 咁都要入我數??????
係乜邏輯? (無邏輯囉)


唉....唔得.
笑到有點標尿,.....上個廁

beebeechan

哥哥仔.....你拿出來的論點.....可唔可以醒番少少咁呢?

dior13dior13

從１５１９西班牙人登陸到征服帝國也不過短短２年，帝國皇帝投降在１５２１後四年至１５２５這年六年間，
帝國的人口也因為各式傳染病從1500萬迅速下降到300萬，這是單指阿之特克的數據，不過就是１５１９至１５２５年．就以墨西哥被征服的頭十五年中，就有四百萬多印第安人被迫洗禮那是指帝國瓦解的時候，敢問你印加和中美洲其他地區不存在嗎？

在印加帝國遭受這次浩劫而國毀人亡以後的二十年中，基督教傳教士跟隨西班牙聖戰軍相繼攻克現今所稱的智利、哥倫比亞、委內瑞拉和阿根廷等地，除巴西已被葡萄牙侵入之外，整個中南美洲都納入西班牙帝國的陰影內，亦即是說，整個中南美洲的生存土人都被迫洗禮而成為基督徒。

在印加帝國遭受這次浩劫而國毀人亡以後的二十年中乃是１５３３～１５５３年呀．

阿茲特克被征服後１５年內墨西個哥地區內不能有四百萬人被迫洗禮嗎？那是指墨西哥的事．

dior13dior13

十六世紀二十年代，西班牙殖民者帶備傳教士進攻墨西哥，
打著「神聖十字軍」和「事奉上帝」的旗號屠殺士人，屈服者被迫洗禮。
跟著向南美大陸推進，自巴拿馬出發，於一五三二年進攻現今秘魯地區的
印加帝國，十一月十五日攻克帝國北部重鎮卡哈馬加城，
不久捉捕印加王阿塔瓦爾帕，屠殺數萬印第安人，
於騙取所有金與銀的贖金後，不履行諾言，卻把印加王阿塔瓦爾帕絞死，
並恣意破壞印加那些宏偉壯麗的廟宇、陵墓、古述和一切藝術珍品，
毀滅了這個光輝燦爛的「印加文明」！

關於屠殺部分已上文記續印加部份很清楚了, 兩個不同的文體不要拆開來對照！

Nomad

>荷屬安的列斯是荷蘭的海外屬地

The Netherlands control of the Islands did not happen until 17th century, the person who happened to be saying something like "How can Spaniards be killing people in Netherlands territory" really should either go back to high school for a history class or ... just fix his/her own  integrity problem.

Nomad

It is not a crime  to be "aren't fluent in English.".
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/20 01:37

No it's not. All I was pointing out, is that the reason why you cannot understand that passage was because you can't read English. Period.

It would be the same stupid to say WWII was a Holy War, a religious war..just because Hitler was a ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/20 01:39

Again flat wrong. Nazi Germany, in fact, in part was a religion problem not only because Hitler was a Catholic, but also the fact that what Hitler conjured as a propaganda for his rise of power is nothing but what the Catholics and Protestants has done for hundreds of years - and that it was none but the Catholics Centre Party and the other protestants/Catholics who voted for him for their "sacred war against communism" that enabled Hitler to rise to power.

慘得過你中文都唔識打囉. (如果是識打, 而懶打, 仲衰多一重!!!!)
係咪中國人來架?
乜中國人同中國人講野 ...
beebeechan 發表於 2010/11/20 01:42

The short hand answer is, I looked at the check list of virtues that one would expect from a Chinese, and you do not appear to possess any of them - it's hard to regard you as a Chinese because doing so shames the ethnicity.

Speaking of which, it's actually pretty funny to hear something like this from a person who believes and ready to insult other people in order to defend a belief that was spread in the Chinese country with the original intent of propagating the belief of white supremacy. (and in a good extent this intention is still retained.)

But then, what can I say, it's a random (HK?) woman from a random church, that's pretty much what I'd expect out of...

Nomad

By the way,

Maximal extent of the Aztec Empire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aztec_Empire_1519_map-fr.svg

Mexico:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil ... c_projection%29.svg

Too much for geography, huh? Or integrity?

beebeechan

在印加帝國遭受這次浩劫而國毀人亡以後的二十年中乃是１５３３～１５５３年呀．

阿茲特克被征服後１５年內墨西個哥地區內不能有四百萬人被迫洗禮嗎？那是指墨西哥的事．

dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/22 15:31

哥哥仔, 你又是否不開「印加帝國」與「阿茲特克」皇朝呢?
是兩個不同的帝國囉.

beebeechan

阿茲特克被征服後１５年內墨西個哥地區內不能有四百萬人被迫洗禮嗎？那是指墨西哥的事．

...
dior13dior13 發表於 2010/11/22 15:31

那請你算一算人口在15年內由300萬增至400萬, 要有多高出生率?
個個女人都年年生四胞胎?

beebeechan

>荷屬安的列斯是荷蘭的海外屬地

The Netherlands control of the Islands did not happen until 17th century, the person who happened to be saying something like "How can Spaniards be killing people in Netherlands territory" really should either go back to high school for a history class or ... just fix his/her own  integrity problem.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/22 16:56

The Antilles refers to a group of islands : Curacao, Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, Sint Maarteen and Saba. You are right, the Dutch seized them from the Spanish in the 16th century.
This group of islands together make up less 960 sq km, not even as large as Hong Kong.
In 1495, the Spanish captured 500 Arawaks from the Antilles and shipped them to Europe as slaves. How come this was exaggerated to become:

用最殘酷的死刑和武力脅迫當地土著皈依基督教，並接受西班牙國王的統治，拒不服從者，立刻被屠殺。安的列斯島原有三百萬 印第安人， 1514 年減至 14000 人，最後只剩下 200 人。

What kind of economy could have supported a population of 3 million on these islands back in the 15 century?

3 million was a very huge popualtion larger than the population of London, Paris, Madrid, Lisbon.. in the mother country.
Today, the population of Antilles is no more than 200,000。

I would rather be a person who could make a mistake in history than be a person like you that is totally out of common sense.

beebeechan

Again flat wrong. Nazi Germany, in fact, in part was a religion problem not only because Hitler was a Catholic, but also the fact that what Hitler conjured as a propaganda for his rise of power is nothing but what the Catholics and Protestants has done for hundreds of years - and that it was none but the Catholics Centre Party and the other protestants/Catholics who voted for him for their "sacred war against communism" that enabled Hitler to rise to power.

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/22 17:24

這論題不是與你論希特拉, 你省回. 廢話少講.

beebeechan

The short hand answer is, I looked at the check list of virtues that one would expect from a Chinese, and you do not appear to possess any of them - it's hard to regard you as a Chinese because doing so shames the ethnicity.

Speaking of which, it's actually pretty funny to hear something like this from a person who believes and ready to insult other people in order to defend a belief that was spread in the Chinese country with the original intent of propagating the belief of white supremacy. (and in a good extent this intention is still retained.)

But then, what can I say, it's a random (HK?) woman from a random church, that's pretty much what I'd expect out of...

Nomad 發表於 2010/11/22 17:24

哎唷....唔識睇雞腸添!
寫方塊字對你有難度?
看來是囉.

不論你英語多流利, 你的皮仍是黃的。
(你用英文來跟我談民族主義!!!!/
你真搞笑!!!.....不知恥。)