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我淨係諗到酒之嘛。

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    不嬲都無乜人話過，拍丸吸毒係有愉悅感既，可能被刻意隱瞞了，咁呢Ｄ例子咪仲要講更大堆囉。

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回覆 97# dye


    唔係呀。

我個case係：由某思想引發的行為，是可用以衡量思想的好壞。但如某思想沒有引發行為，則思想本身就無分好壞。

唔小心車死人，並非由刻意而來，即是並非某思想所引發，就唔關事了。

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不外乎就係中樞神經興奮劑嘛。
沙文 發表於 2014/4/6 18:22

    咁酒唔係咩？做乜雙重標準喎。

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好吧：

答：吃迷幻藥的人也比較開心，但這都不是高水準的快樂來源。
A: Dopes are also happier.  But it is not the source of happiness in high quality.

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竣你個頭呀，見你進度咁慢先唔貼咁多咋。

http://exchristian.hk/forum/redi ... 0989&pid=106229

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邏輯與理性

問：邏輯不能解決一切。
答：誰說它能？但邏輯卻可以使人分辨謬誤，免墮思考陷阱。〔常見謬誤列表〕

問：神／聖經超越邏輯。
答：「超越」在這裡真正的意思是「不符合」；某廁所不符合衛生標準，可以說成「超越」衛生標準嗎？

問：人有人的邏輯，神有神的邏輯。
答：非人的邏輯，在瘋子口中常聽得到。

問：單靠理性，不能完全明白。
答：不理性地相信，即是一種迷信、盲信。

問：(1) 信了之後你才能明白。
　　(2) 信教正如吃蘋果，你未吃前永不清楚那蘋果的味道。〔蘋果理論〕
答：正如吸毒之後才能明白毒品的害處嗎？

問：我們要對神有信心。
答：(1) 「信心」即是對一些沒有證據的東西深信不疑。〔Faith and Reason Quotes〕
　　(2) 是真實的話就無須講信心；要對「阿媽係女人」有信心麼？

Logic and Reason

Q: Logic cannot solve everything.
A: Who said it can? But logic can let us identify logical fallacies to avoid falling into thinking traps. [ List of common fallacies ]

Q: God / Bible is beyond logic.
A: The true meaning of "is beyond" here is "fails to comply with".  Could toilets which fail to comply with the hygiene standard be described as "are beyond the hygiene standards"?

Q: God's logic is different from man's logic.
A: Just like madman's logic is also different from man's logic.

Q: You cannot understand through reason alone.
A: Believing without reason is a superstition and a blind faith.

Q: (1) Unless you believe, you shall not understand.
(2) Believing is just like you will never know the taste until you take a bite of an apple.
A: Therefore, you will never know drug abuse is harmful until you've taken it?

Q: We should have faith in God.
A: (1) "Faith" is the firm belief in something for which there is no evidence.. [ Faith and Reason Quotes ]
(2) You don't need faith for facts, just like you never need to have faith in "Paris is in France".

科學

問：科學不能解釋一切。
答：誰說它能？但科學精神在於追求真理、探索未知，而不是將解釋不到的事情訴諸鬼神。

問：進化論只是理論，不是真實，因此並不可靠。
答：為何肺癆箘受藥後，會變成帶抗藥性？

問：神超越科學。
答：「超越」在這裡真正的意思是「不符合」；某廁所不符合衛生標準，可以說成「超越」衛生標準嗎？

問：生物的構造太過複雜，不可能是隨機選擇的結果，而是不知名的智慧創造者所為。﹝智慧設計論﹞
答：(1) 創造論／智慧設計論不是科學理論，因為它不能被驗證。﹝科學方法﹞
　　(2) 這位智慧創造者本身是否也是一種生物？

問：宇宙大爆炸的「奇點」是上帝創造宇宙的奧秘，人類無法理解。
答：科學家正努力探索解釋宇宙起源，包括結合量子力學、擴展粒子物理學的標準模型、M-理論的建立、多元宇宙的證實等等，而非只在空談「上帝就是答案」。

Science

Q: Science cannot explain everything.
A: Who said it can? But science involves the pursuit of knowledge covering general truths, rather than resorting those unexplained to gods and spirits.

Q: Evolution is just a theory, not a fact.  Therefore it is flawed.
A: Why mycobacterium tuberculosis become drug-resistant after improper treatment?

Q: God is beyond science.
A: The true meaning of "is beyond" here is "fails to comply with".  Could toilets which fail to comply with the hygiene standard be described as "are beyond the hygiene standards"?
Q:
Biological structures are too complex to be the result of random natural selection, and therefore must have an intelligent designer. [ Intelligent Design ]
A: (1) Creationism / intelligent design are not scientific theories, because they are not testable. [ Scientific Method: http://philosophy.hku.hk/think/sci/hd.php ]
(2) Is the intelligent designer himself a living organism?

Q: The Big Bang "singularity" is a mystery when God created the universe and human cannot understand.
A: Scientists are trying to explore and explain the origins of the universe, including unifying with quantum mechanics, extending the standard model of particle physics, establishing the M-theory, proofing multiverse, etc., rather than merely prating about "God is the answer."

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由思想引起的不作為又和何？
dye 發表於 2014/4/6 21:13

    不作為都係作為既一種姐。

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「著名理論」無野要改？

就黎做完架喇，我仲有兩次貼出黎就OK了。

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用 fail to comply with 得唔得？要襯返God / Bible fails to comply with logic.

Q: God / Bible is beyond logic.
A: The true meaning of "is beyond" here is "fails to comply with".  Could certain toilets which fail to comply with the hygiene standard be described as "are beyond the hygiene standards"?

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謝謝，進度良好。

包容與自由

問：牧師／傳道人／宗教科老師說Ｘ教有……的問題。
答：對於有明顯立場的知識來源，應審慎地求證；想客觀地了解其他宗教，請參考網址 Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance.

問：基督徒／教會／基督教充滿愛與包容。
答：(1) 剛好相反，教會備受各方議論，批評它的歧視，包括性取向、應徵者信仰、性別、伴侶信仰、其他宗派、學生信仰；歧視乃源於仇恨、不是愛。
　　(2) 基督教對很多思想或意識都具排他性，包括心理學、人文主義、科學、搖滾樂、佛教、伊斯蘭教、瑜伽、氣功；排他是包容的相對，有損社會和諧。

問：某人對基督教／聖經的指摘／批評是源於不理解／不明白它的真理。
答：理解、明白不等同於認同、接受。

問：天主教／基督教／東正教的分別是甚麼？
答：通常教徒都不鼓勵別人問的問題，因為這象徵分裂、不和；坊間的有關文章大都有立場（偏幫己方或抹黑對方），看此簡表會較為客觀。

問：為何那麼多人反基？
答：不同人有不同的答案，以我來說，批評基督教並無金錢奉獻及其他利益回報，真正原因就是因為「愛」。我只想教徒不再被神棍操控，以似是而非的理論蒙騙別人，蒙騙自己。

問：每人都有宗教自由，你有權不信基督教，但你無權反／批評基督教。
答：每人都有言論自由，據理批評不代表不尊重宗教自由。〔聯合國人權宣言（英語版）（繁體版節錄）〕

問：請尊重別人的宗教，不要踐踏宗教。
答：世上的宗教不只是基督教，請基督徒先尊重別人的宗教，別再盲目指摘別人迷信、拜偶像、異端邪說等。

問：(1) 這個星期日我帶你返教會吧。
　　(2) 我帶領你一起祈禱吧。
答：基督徒尊重自己的宗教，而拒絕參與其他宗教儀式（例如上香）；他們也應尊重沒有信仰的人，不去誘使他們參與基督教的宗教儀式。

問：不明白反對基督教的人是甚麼心態。
答：請參考此表。

問：請尊重基督教，勿再稱之為邪教。
答：請參考一些人的論據。

問：你阻止我在打壓同性戀者，即在侵犯我的宗教自由。
答：這等於說：你阻止我在打壓同性戀者，即在侵犯我歧視同性戀者的自由。

Tolerance and Freedom

Q: Pastors / preachers / religious teachers said that religion X has ...... problems.
A: Be carefully verifying the source of knowledge with distinct standpoint. Refer to Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance (http://www.religioustolerance.org/) for objective understanding of other religions.

Q: Christians / Churches / Christianity is full of love and tolerance.
A: (1) On the contrary, a wide range of debates has been raised on criticizing the discrimination of churches, including sexual orientation, gender, other denominations, the religion of job candidates, spouses and students.  Discrimination arose not from love but hatred.
(2) Christianity is a kind of exclusionism against many thoughts or ideologies, including psychology, humanism, science, rock'n roll, Buddhism, Islam, yoga, Qigong.  Exclusionism is the opposite of tolerance which undermines social harmony.

Q: Those who condemn and criticize Christianity / Bible are due to their incomprehension to its truth.
A : Comprehension is not equivalent to agreement and acceptance.

Q: What is the difference between Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox?
A: Usually this question is not encouraged because it symbolizes division and discord.  Most related articles have their positions (partial to one's own or discredit others). [ Any neutral comparison in English? ]

Q: Why are there so many people opposing Christianity?
A: Different people have different answers.  As for me, criticizing Christianity has no money donation and other benefits in return.  The true reason behind is "love".  I just hope believers will be no longer manipulated by religious charlatans to deceive others as well as themselves by the plausible theories.

Q: Everyone has freedom of religion.  You have the right to reject Christianity, but you have no right to oppose  / criticize Christianity.
A: Everyone has freedom of speech.  Reasonable criticisms do not mean disrespecting the freedom of religion. [United Nations Declaration of Human Rights: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml ]

Q: Please respect other people's religions and not trample on religious freedom.
A: Christianity is not the only religion in the world.  Christians should respect religions of other people first and should not blindly accuse others of superstition, idolatry, heresy, etc.

Q: (1) Let me take you to the church this Sunday.
(2) Let me lead you praying together.
A: While Christians respect their own religion by refusing to participate in other religious ceremonies like incense burning, they should also respect unbelievers by not inducing them to participate in christian religious ceremonies.

/* 此兩題不譯了：問：不明白反對基督教的人是甚麼心態。
答：請參考此表。
問：請尊重基督教，勿再稱之為邪教。
答：請參考一些人的論據。*/

Q: You are violating my freedom of religion by stopping my suppression of the homosexuals.
A: It is equivalent to saying: You are violating my freedom of discrimination of the homosexuals by stopping my suppression of the homosexuals.

其他

問：教會積極參與社會福利、醫療及興辦教育，對社會作出不少貢獻。
答：這世上不只基督教行善及教育。受挫的弱勢社群、心智未成熟的小孩，會因耳濡目染、感激和權威性，而較容易被灌輸宗教思想；同時亦能以貢獻社會的名義博人好感，利於籌募經費。

問：我們要為自己的罪負責，因此要誠心向神認罪悔改，讓耶穌基督所流的寶血為我們贖罪。
答：把罪推給別人才是不負責任，每人都要勇於承擔自己的所作所為，這才是真正負責任的行為。

問：有沒有離開基督教的人的個案？
答：請參考離教者之家或 Leaving Christianity.

問：整篇根本就不是FAQ，大部分都是先有答案後才問問題。
答：基督徒向來自以為已找到答案，本文的目的則是質疑和引發他人思考，所以許多題目都是以反問句來回應那些所謂「答案」。

問：一切問題，神自有答案。
答：假如閣下就這樣放棄思考，抱歉浪費了你的時間看完本 FAQ。

超短基版FAQ http://vscfaq.antichristendom.com/ 全文完

Others

Q: Churches are actively involved in social welfare, health and education and has made a considerable contribution to the society.
A: Churches are not the only charity and educational organisations in the world.  The disadvantaged and immature kids are more likely to be indoctrinated with some religious thoughts due to the imperceptible influence and the sense of gratitude and authority.  Moreover it helps fundraising by gaining good impression from the public in the name of their contribution to the society.

Q: We should be responsible for our own sins, so we should sincerely repent to God and let Jesus Christ shed for our sins.
A: It is indeed irresponsible to transfer your sins to others.  Bearing the consequence of our own actions is a truly responsible behavior.

Q: Are there any cases of people leaving Christianity?
A: Please refer to Leaving Christianity [ http://sites.google.com/site/leavingxtianity/home ] and Exchristians Alliance [ http://exchristian.hk (in Chinese) ].

Q: This whole article is not an FAQ.  Most of the Q&As are answers prior to questions.
A: Christians used to believe they have the answers already.    The purpose of this article is to question and encourage people to think, therefore many Q&As are rhetorical questions in response to the so-called "answers".

Q: God has the answer to all of your questions.
A: If you simply give up thinking this way, I apologize for wasting your time on this FAQ.

The Very Short Christianity Frequently Asked Questions
http://vscfaq.antichristendom.com/
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呢尐普通香港仔真係好難學曉，謝謝指教。

有一疑問：

If you simply give up thinking this way是回應「一切問題，神自有答案」，被視為一種簡單地完全放棄思考的行為，如改為If you have given up thinking independently，似乎加入了「獨立思考」的涵意呢，亦看來像並非輕易give up的意思，意思好像有些與中文本不同。

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好吧，也謝謝你了。

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好喇好喇，我想保留返個S字，Keep返個short form做VSCFAQ，唔用brief / concise, 用succinct OK嗎？

A Very Succinct Christianity Frequency Asked Questions
貼出黎都黎想你地指教下姐，駛乜guts呀。

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呢點我都知既，只是非不為而不能也之嘛。

當中得閒約上帝出黎飲茶啦一句，我都譯作ask him out for a drink，就係知道西人去吧飲酒多過去酒樓飲茶啦。

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最後了，無人改就上線喇：

十 度 門 的 故 事

* 實 事 求 是 , 無 需 自 欺 欺 人 *

思考問題:

一間大屋內, 有 10 間房, 全部房門都是關上的.

問題 1> 若要証明其中一間房內 有一隻金蛋, 你最少要開多少度門呢?

問題 2> 若要証明所有房間內 沒有金蛋, 你最少要開多少度門呢?

　

( 請現在思索答案........ 然後繼續閱讀. )

　

有答案後 請繼續 : .......

　

　

答案:

1> 若你開第一度門便找到, 便無需再開第二度門. 最少,只需開一度門.

2> 若要証明所有房間內 沒有金蛋, 你必需全部開啟, 只要有一度門未開, 都唔能夠証明沒有.

推論: 要証明一樣o野 "存在" 一定比証明 "不存在" 容易.

　

若 "門" 的數目是無限又如何呢?

1> 若你開第一度門便找到, 便無需再開第二度門. 無限門,亦有機會証明存在. 最少,只需開一度門.

2> 若要証明所有房間內 沒有金蛋, 你必需開啟無限的門. 不論你點樣開, 始終不能証明沒有, 因為門的數目是無限的.

推論: 在無限門的情況下, 証明一樣o野 "存在" 仍然有可能. 而要証明 "不存在" 跟本不可能. 所以, 在無限門的情況下, 要求他人証明"不存在",跟本就是無聊.

　

一件事,無法証明存在, 亦無法証明不存在. 就應該定為 "可能存在,亦可能不存在".

絕對絕對 不能定義為: "無法証明不存在, 就即是存在啦".<<- 絕對絕對錯!!

相信一樣 "可能存在,亦可能不存在" 的東西, 還神化至極點--全能! 似乎.....真是.....XXXX

要四處宣揚呢個 "可能存在,亦可能不存在" 的東西, 更加.......哈哈. 不知算什麼.

以上 思考問題, 送給所有 基督徒,準基督徒.

不是反基督, 不是反宗教, 只是實事求是.

宗教只是宗教. 自己用來安撫自己來取得心靈支持.

請不要用本故仔書來解釋宇宙起源. 宗教還宗教,現實還現實.

　

拿不出證據, 請不要再四處宣揚呢個 "可能存在, 亦可能不存在" 的東西.

　

更勿再以聖經來解釋宇宙起源 !!!

勿再以聖經來解釋人類及生物起源 !!!

勿再以聖經來作所謂挑戰科學. 科學/知識怎樣渺小, 也比聖經來得積極, 實際, 真實 !!

The Story of Ten Doors

Imagine there is a large house with 10 rooms.  All doors are closed.

Question 1:  At least how many doors you have to open to prove that there is a golden egg in one of the rooms?

Question 2: At least how many doors you have to open to prove that there is no golden egg in all rooms?

(Please think about the answer now...... then keep reading)



After you got the answer, please continue:




Answer:

1. If you find the golden egg when you open the 1st door, you don't have to open the 2nd door.  Therefore you at least have to open 1 door.

2. To prove there is no golden egg in the house, you must open all doors. You cannot prove the non-existence even with 1 room left.

Corollary: It is easier to prove something "exists" than "doesn't exist".


What if the case with infinite number of doors?

1. If you find the egg when you open the 1st door, you don't have to open the 2nd door. It is still possible to prove the egg exists by opening at least 1 door for the case with infinite number of doors.

2. To prove there is no golden egg in all rooms, you must open infinite number of doors.   When the number of doors is infinite, you cannot prove its non-existence even with 1 door closed.

Corollary: For the case with infinite number of doors, it's still possible to prove existence, but it's impossible to prove non-existence. It is therefore nonsense to ask people to prove something "doesn't exist" in the case of infinite number of doors.

Unable to prove something exists and doesn't exist, should be defined as "may or may not exist".

It is absolutely wrong to define it as "it exists because you can't prove it doesn't"!

It's XXXX to believe in something which "may or may not exist" and deify it to the most degree, i.e. omnipotent.

For those people who spread around this "may or may not exist" thing, I really don't know what to say.
The above thoughtful questions are for all Christians and quasi-Christians.

(Translated from an article from the website: The Church of the True God Frog)

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真的謝謝你們，只怪我讀書時不肯好好用功學英文啦。
稍後在冷靜的環境下再細看你們的評論丫。

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十度門的故事可以逐步逐步把讀者思想引進其局中，但unicorn, teapot, 飛行意粉怪就沒有這個效果。

基本上簡單地一個本土田雞真神（十度門的故事原作者）也是有unicorn等的效果呢。

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要四處宣揚呢個 "可能存在,亦可能不存在" 的東西, 更加.......哈哈. 不知算什麼.

And, I don't know how to describe for someone who spreads around the thing that "may or may not exist". <--
I really don't know how to describe something "may or may not exist".

原意是指對於四處宣揚的這種人，不知怎去形容，而非不知怎去形容這種或者存在的東西。

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搬了上網了：

http://vscfaq.antichristendom.com/index_en.htm
謹此感謝各方好友的協助。