prussianz

原帖由 M2 於 2008-2-21 16:36 發表
如果趕人走唔算種族清洗，以色列趕哂d巴人走咪攪掂？
講到底呢個係爭奪土地既問題。

而家世界既共識(so to speak)係反對更改國界，但現時既國界咪係靠前人打生打死爭番黎。點解以前既人野蠻(以現代人既眼光)搶番黎既地方，而家就變左神聖不可侵犯既領土？如果支持維持現有國界，係未等於endorse以前既野蠻行為？

i endorse u here ;--^)

prussianz

原帖由 dye 於 2008-2-21 16:34 發表
It is a genocide

Joshua 10
40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survi ...

>>>> Oh, do you need to murder the kids, and the elderly?
>>>> Good old Joshua murdered these fellow even AFTER their army is subdued.

O yes , completly completely in 'the agree ,
+ ,
do you also need to murder those 100.000.000% innocent cattle, sheep and donkeys.

that must have been done by 'the non-devils-like devils ------>>>> Joshua + his men
that must have been done by 'the devils-not-called-as-devils ------>>>> Joshua + his men
that must have been done by 'the devils-hailed-as-goodmen-etc  ------>>>> Joshua + his men

原帖由 dye 發表

Situation in city God wanted to conquer [[[[[[[[[ : : ]]]]]]]]]

Joshua 6
20 When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound ofthe trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; soevery man charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devotedthe city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing init—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

prussianz

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-2-21 15:40 發表


沒有神就代表"人不為己，天誅地滅"?
...難怪那些同樣相信從來就沒甚麼救世主的佛教僧人,還有新儒家的可憐傢伙,會在短短二十年間被基督徒們灌以各種不知所謂的罪名了。 ...

sorry , i'm too fresh here ,

if u guys have some time , could any 1 please show me some examples here-about ??

cheers ThANKye

prussianz

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-2-21 12:25 發表
>1. 當時基督教係國教, 大部份人都係"名義"的教徒~

原來這世界有那麼多無聊的人會把自己的性命像雜草一樣丟出去用來殺人。
他們還真可憐哪 - 當年就是超越眾道德的英雄
棋子用完之後就變成了名義的教徒。

此外,不 ...

>>>> 你還是先公佈一下今天殺人股行程再說吧

sorry , My Dear Sir Nomad , couldest thou shed some light up on what's `````殺人股行程'''' ??

cheers ThANKye , pendragon

prussianz

原帖由 Paul_Bard 於 2008-2-21 11:25 發表
To 小妹 : M2和我是這裡少數基督徒~

To M2 : 很少這麼齊人, 來揍揍熱鬧先~

少數 ......... o yes , really , too 少 ,

hi high welcome , 很少 seeing u , My Dear Sir Paul , nice 2 c u again , cheers



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weakest

"  Therefore, for a normal person, how could they deal with this kind of "imperfect information"? Is it reasonable for them to be alert on the Christian belief?"

What I mean was that, it is reasonable for people to be alert on the Christian belief.

沙文

原帖由 M2 於 2008-2-21 00:06 發表
小弟今次唯有自認好天真好傻。
原來"黃帝vs>蚩尤"係"隻揪"，唔係部族戰爭！
多謝賜教！

M2兄您緊係冇交學費俾歷史系嘞。等我叫我師妹同您補習啦

吾大中華上國打仗，真係有將領隻揪嘅傳統：

《左傳》宣公十二年：彭名禦左廣，屈盪為右。乙卯，王乘左廣以逐趙旃。趙旃棄車而走林，屈盪搏之，得其甲裳。
《三國志》太史慈傳：時獨與一騎卒遇策。策從騎十三，皆韓當、宋謙、黃蓋輩也。慈便前鬥，正與策對。策刺慈馬，而攬得慈項上手戟，慈亦得策兜鍪。會兩家兵騎並各來赴，於是解散。
項羽亦摟過劉邦隻揪，不過劉邦自忖武藝低微，唔穌佢之嘛：
《史記‧項羽本紀》項王謂漢王曰：‘天下匈匈數歲者，徒以吾兩人耳，願與漢王挑戰，決雌雄，毋徒苦天下之民父子為也。’漢王笑謝曰：‘吾寧鬥智，不能鬥力。’項王令壯士出挑戰。漢有善騎射者樓煩，楚挑戰三合，樓煩輒殺之。項王大怒，乃自被甲持戟挑戰。樓煩欲射之，項王嗔目叱之，樓煩目不敢視，手不敢發，遂走還入壁，不敢復出。

新唐書記薛仁貴的「將軍三箭定天山，壯士長歌入漢關」，仁貴以三箭射瓜九姓突厥三名將領，九姓突厥全軍就此扯白旗。

為了實現屹立千年不倒的理想﹐基督徒歷史上蓄意殺了不少人﹐努力殺戮掠奪竟然真係得到佐想要的回報

殺人放火金腰帶 這名句真係冇講錯

Nomad

>There are Christians who "use" their beliefs as reasons to kill, and there are Christians who "use" their beliefs as reasons to save.  Are u going to condemn the beliefs or the persons doing the bad things?

很明顯地又是沒讀過Milgram's Experiment,和納粹/日軍和普通平民的關係的又一個人。

Nomad

>Unfortunately, in now, no people could really distinguish the "real" Christian from "unreal" group. Someone may speak some devil, even he/she is from church, and use the "word of God" to justify killing actions. For Christian, God could judge, but, how about the way that people could follow AT THIS TIME? After all, people's choice of actions would mostly be an immediate choice and not much time is allowed for people to consider, and therefore, it would be too late for people to wait for the "final judgement" of God.

>  Therefore, for a normal person, how could they deal with this kind of "imperfect information"? Is it reasonable for them to be alert on the Christian belief?

真正的問題是
他們永遠會再有下一次叫你去殺人
然後永遠又會再說你不是教徒
之後所有人又永遠不會有資格評論

結果呢?死了的人是死了,而教會永遠在撈油水。

Unfortunately, in now, no people could really distinguish the "real" Christian from "unreal" group. Someone may speak some devil, even he/she is from church, and use the "word of God" to justify killing actions. For Christian, God could judge, but, how about the way that people could follow AT THIS TIME? After all, people's choice of actions would mostly be an immediate choice and not much time is allowed for people to consider, and therefore, it would be too late for people to wait for the "final judgement" of God.

  Therefore, for a normal person, how could they deal with this kind of "imperfect information"? Is it reasonable for them to be alert on the Christian belief?

By weakest

Nomad

>跟著聯想... 菲律賓, 印尼...

所以印尼華人(哦,多數是明末才去的。)要搬走我絕不反對啊！
有地方收容的話。

M2

無驚無險，又到五點！

走之前都要同Dye拜年：鼠年祝你既人道主義事業蒸蒸日上！

Nomad

>空地雖然多，優質地卻唔係咁多。如果唔係d中國既小數民族都唔會走哂去d窮鄉僻壤既山區喇。

你到底知不知道他們何時才去山區的？
四千年前？？
為什麼會變成窮鄉僻壤？山區本身是沒有資源嗎？還是在現代人眼中缺乏現代機建？

...回去中學再教育。

呀,抱歉,去都是去教會中學,所以看來沒救了。

Paul_Bard

跟著聯想... 菲律賓, 印尼...

dye

Interbreed.  Interbreed.  

Land surveying help.  The land resources can be limited, but since we are not all knowing, we can find good places that is uninhabited.

Influx of tech also help.  New method of farming can increase the capacity of the land, and possibly make what used to be inhabitable land habitable.

Among the many possibility...  you need to be innovative here.

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When God is on your sides, land can become fertile!

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-2-21 17:42 編輯 ]

Nomad

其實這個討論有點怪
說到無神論者的時候,就似乎好像要他們好像神一樣用甚麼神蹟去解決問題,於是絕對不可以有甚麼差錯
但是全能的上帝就可以特地將所有人收監在一片不夠半個土星大的地方打生打死
明明說到全知全能可以再造個星球接人上去住,說有應許之地都要特地要人去殺光原住民來娛樂大眾,理所當然。

這世界是越是沒力量責任越大這樣了？
難怪醫學救人永遠都歌頌上帝,教會打戰爭殺人永遠都怪科學家。


說起來...
還真有個地方自己選舉進了萬惡的美利堅合眾國呢...
...我們現在叫那地方做夏威夷。

Paul_Bard

There are Christians who "use" their beliefs as reasons to kill, and there are Christians who "use" their beliefs as reasons to save.  Are u going to condemn the beliefs or the persons doing the bad things?

很清楚的回答, 我會記低, =P

dye

By God's Law, do you mean the Law of Moses?

We need Sherman over here.

Sher--- man.. Sher --- man

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Oh mine.  So Joshua is a false prophet.  Moses is a false prophet.. among the many.

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M2

空地雖然多，優質地卻唔係咁多。如果唔係d中國既小數民族都唔會走哂去d窮鄉僻壤既山區喇。