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為何基督教兩千年來至今仍屹立不倒?

原帖由 Jom 於 2008-2-21 14:14 發表
妹妹仔開咗呢個topic咁耐,我都有個猜想.天地萬物凡事都係有兩面既.咁會唔會兩千年來不繼將人性醜化,將神人化,將權力神化既教會,佢重未摺得既原因正正就係但丁提出既"人性七宗罪"既結果呢?

傲慢: 一日入教,即可享永生;要知每個人所要經歷既終結而你只要入教信耶就走得甩重可以與天地同壽喎.皇帝無既野你都有.個鼻重唔立刻向橫發展咩?而且教會入面重要唔係一個,係有一班人同你一樣,形成一種團體力量.對於人性中要求傲慢一環,中晒.

妒忌: 人生在世,能力各異,亦有高低之分.但教會入面則係提倡"人人耶前平等".能力多寡引致既階級地位分野立時消失.重唔引晒班能力無咁高既人入去咩.妒忌他人之心,去到教會將可以無限上綱到不能自己既地步.

暴怒: 對於生命中既唔公平,一種極怒而又無可奈何要接受既情況下.教會提供咗一個缺口,俾佢地去漠視其實重有可以用努力去改善眼下既情況,做少樣.而且係教會又可以選擇性咁用耶經教義去攻擊異己,何其快哉!

懶惰: 耶教講既係乜都交俾老耶,即人叫人唔駛諗咁多.教會亦俾佢地一個唔駛做乜野就可以有個叫老耶既位去緩和各種失落落感.教會實在係自信心唔夠,內在心靈空泛者既必然之選.

貪婪:自己信都唔夠,重要身邊既人都陪埋你一齊,身邊既人都唔夠,要成條村一齊,重未夠,最好全個國家一齊,甚至全世界一齊信先開心,咁先可以完全消除人與人之間既唔公平.另外一樣野,用物質/服務黎吸引教眾,用精神上既慰藉留住教眾,亦係睇住人性既弱點黎打.另外,用教會牌頭搵食果班人,咪又係因為貪婪呢特性先會入教會.

貪食: 人最基本既兩種原始慾望之一,派米派奶粉教會做唔少.但你食佢米得番條命,但就要接受洗腦.有少少好似早兩年既一單新聞,有個大陸人自己挖眼呃保險金,為咗六萬蚊.就算佢無被人篤爆,六萬蚊就一世啦.

色欲: 人另外一項原始慾望,但因為生命中既唔公平,唔係每一每個人都會得到適當既慰藉.教會既一軛輪造就咗"係敎會入面搵到性伴侶",唔單止維持到教會既發展,亦可以留住教眾,吸收新人.

所以我開頭就講,妹妹仔你歸納既points似乎唔係每一個人都用得著.或者你可以從另一個角度去理解教會係"三流心理醫生有限公司",佢地做緊既事工,其實都只係頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳既心理輔導,而且係無責任可言既.當人搵到自己或者另外既慰藉既時候,教會就真係可以末落啦.


according my own : ::::::::::

each of your ,,,,,七宗罪'''' must b able to b included in My Fair Lady 小妹's list ,
expecially your ,,,,,色欲'''' , that's exActly the ground out of which i attended the churches ,

but ,
i dont think My Fair Lady 小妹 would dare to take in any 1 of your ,,,,,七宗罪'''' ,
ecspecially your ,,,,,色欲'''' ,;;--^)),
even though she would know those'r the truths ,

by 'the way , she may even probably not have enough life's experiences to .........


[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-2-22 05:56 編輯 ]
原帖由 M2 於 2008-2-21 17:21 發表
>If one use certain beliefs as the reason to kill, the belief should be condemned.

If I use a knife to kill, would you condemn the knife?  If I use a knife to save (say as a surgeon), would you appr ...


hi high greeting good morning My Dear Sir M2 ,

please let me pre-declare very clearly , a yiddish tradition ;;--^)

even/////although////allthough your ideas dont meet my smatch ,
even/////although////allthough you be a devout Christian ,
but ,
i couldnt care i.e. i dont care at all ;;--^) whether u'r a Christian or not ,
since
u'r the 少數
种族 here ,
u
+ My Fair Lady 小妹
+ My Dear Sir Paul
e.t.c.
have won automaticcally all
my due respects here , ,

cheers ThANKye , pendragon

>>>> 原帖由 Paul_Bard 於 2008-2-21 11:25 發表
>>>> To 小妹 : M2和我是這裡少數基督徒~
>>>>
>>>> To M2 : 很少這麼齊人, 來揍揍熱鬧先~

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-2-22 06:33 編輯 ]
原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-2-22 12:06 發表


新儒家運動早在90年代被批評為盲目排外

而佛教,其實基督教對佛教的誣蔑大概是普遍得我不用數,多數上過教會學校的人都聽過才對 - 由佛教拜菩薩佛像為神,到被指是虛無主義(既然一切成空,則道德亦不存在),一些索性指信佛教的都是自私鬼(靠自己,修來修去都是罪)
然後直到現在,看到有佛教的人用汽車,上網,用手提電話,就興高采烈地聲稱他們其實都依戀世間事物。

最可憐的是,人家慈濟基金會拿自己的捐獻開學校,賑災,推行環保,既不要求受惠者昄依,也不參與政治活動
卻永遠被一群天天上街遊行,然後拿政府錢做聲稱慈善和辦學(而辦學的Qualification和手法總是下三流的),卻每次都要人點頭信教才會派奶粉的教會評擊為偽善 ...


ThANKs4reminding , i have also gotten some similar winds here-about ,

>>>>然後直到現在,看到有佛教的人用汽車,上網,用手提電話,就興高采烈地聲稱他們其實都依戀世間事物

some block-heads may have had their heads blocked by their religion ,

if ..... there b a monk eye-witnessing a wildfire in a nearby country-side ,  e.t.c. ,  
+ ,
if ..... he not possess a 手提電話 @ this time ,
then ....
how could he dial up 999 ?????????

this example is so simple for even a little kid , but , those block-heads .....

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-2-23 06:35 編輯 ]
ThANK ye very innovative posting , i love it , any other thing like this lai-see ???? ;--^)

原帖由 dye 於 2008-2-22 20:54 發表
Instead of debatng till our face turn blue and the cows comes home, below I offer you a bit of comics for a relieve.

原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-2-22 12:09 發表


這句不是指言語上的事啦
刀是指真正的刀
雖然不敢說自己是劍手,但小弟都是練劍道的
這也不過是閒時的胡言亂語而已(笑)



.1. 細佬都是練劍道的 , 请多多指教細佬 ,

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.2. >>>>>>>>> 刀不出鞘才是劍術最高的境界

i have some resonance here

when .... i was young : ::::: 劍道至高
i did always like2be showy or ostentious [[[[[[[[[so-do-i-today]]]]]]]]] ,
i did always like2be show out my 出鞘's 刀 in order to show out that i 都是練劍道的 ,
i did even hand-carry a long japannese 刀 , naked , across the portland street , mongkok ,
@round 13;00
@ that day

but ,
someday ,
when i was @ the midst of the usual 禪-contemplation of how2improve-my-劍道 ,
it did suddennly fall up on me that : ::::::::::
刀不出鞘才 , 是劍道至高 ,
刀不出鞘 , 才是劍道至高 + 'the philosophies standing behind ,

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@ 禪-contemplation ,
it unveiled me later that
`````刀不出鞘-劍道至高'''' rules do not just only b able to b applied to 劍道 ,
they could b assimiliated in2 all walks of usual lives as well too
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  曲:顾嘉辉 词:顾嘉辉 编:江羽
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转 谁明白我寂寞 怕登峰造极 独因一些际遇埋抱负
自 (歌词转自 音魁网 www.inkui.com
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魁 忠奸要分 大义除害 尽义难尽爱 实在残酷
常为侠客羡慕 剑道至高 内心中感爱念 价值更高
i 恨偏偏得不到 我心底爱慕 愿得知心爱伴 忘剑道
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u 恨偏偏得不到 我心底爱慕 愿得知心爱伴 忘剑道
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[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-2-23 08:50 編輯 ]
原帖由 Nomad 於 2008-2-22 12:06 發表
新儒家運動早在90年代被批評為盲目排外

而佛教,其實基督教對佛教的誣蔑大概是普遍得我不用數,多數上過教會學校的人都聽過才對 - 由佛教拜菩薩佛像為神,到被指是虛無主義(既然一切成空,則道德亦不存在),一些索性指信佛教的都是自私鬼(靠自己,修來修去都是罪)
然後直到現在,看到有佛教的人用汽車,上網,用手提電話,就興高采烈地聲稱他們其實都依戀世間事物。

最可憐的是,人家慈濟基金會拿自己的捐獻開學校,賑災,推行環保,既不要求受惠者昄依,也不參與政治活動
卻永遠被一群天天上街遊行,然後拿政府錢做聲稱慈善和辦學(而辦學的Qualification和手法總是下三流的),卻每次都要人點頭信教才會派奶粉的教會評擊為偽善。


even some buddhists do 拜菩薩佛像為神 ,
but , yes and ???? [[[[[[[[[ `````yes-and'''' in german = so what !!!!!!!!! ]]]]]]]]]
but ,
拜神
this kind o' actions , expecially those in the kind o'[of]
5体投地-then-standing-up-again-then-5体投地-then-standing-up-again-recurrently ,
's a best kind of sports , non-sportslike-sport ,

e.g. : ::::::::::
my wife , o k , 1 of my wives , approximatly 200 pounds , does always abhorr from any sport ,
she's
even too lazy to do any aerobic ,
even i have paid her to do the aerobic ,
even i have paid the fitness clubs memberships fee$$$$ ,
but ,
but ,
2 the contrary ,
she posts n'one any complaint or problem in 100.000.000% voluntarily accomplishing
'the ,,,,,,,,,,daily physiccal exercises''''''''' ,
i.e.
the daily ritual of 拜菩薩佛像為神 ,
@least *00 times
of
5体投地-then-standing-up-again-then-5体投地-then-standing-up-again-recurrently each session

o yes , i must admit that : ::::::::::
no matter how hard u have done in 拜菩薩佛像為神 , but ,
the idol 像 may still not b able to do blessing u anything ,
but ,
拜菩薩佛像為神 this-kind-o'-physiccal-exercises , itself , does gift u the best bless ,
i.e.
the healthyness/////////healthiness

by 'the way ,
my wife 's always healthier than i ,
expecially after i have just 灌输ed my 神 to her ,

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p.s. : ::::::::::

'the just above-mentionned may b the real intention behind that ancient buddhist/////////taoist
devising the
5体投地-then-standing-up-again-then-5体投地-then-standing-up-again-recurrently
e.t.c.
this kind o' actions o' 拜菩薩佛像為神 ,

[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-2-23 15:25 編輯 ]
原帖由 prussianz 於 2008-2-23 06:43 發表



.1(无线电视剧"一剑镇神州"插曲)
  曲:顾嘉辉 词:顾嘉辉 编:江羽
歌 (歌词转自 音魁网 www.inkui.com
词 无敌是最寂寞 最是痛苦 未得一层抱负 更是痛苦
转 谁明白我寂寞 怕登峰造极 独因一些际遇埋抱负
自 (歌词转自 音魁网 www.inkui.com
音 * 命运原是最冷酷 知心以死报劬劳
魁 忠奸要分 大义除害 尽义难尽爱 实在残酷
常为侠客羡慕 剑道至高 内心中感爱念 价值更高
i 恨偏偏得不到 我心底爱慕 愿得知心爱伴 忘剑道
n 命运原是最冷酷 知心以死报劬劳
k 常为侠客羡慕 剑道至高 内心中感爱念 价值更高
u 恨偏偏得不到 我心底爱慕 愿得知心爱伴 忘剑道
i (歌词转自 音魁网 www.inkui.com
· Repeat *
c (歌词转自 音魁网 www.inkui.com
o 无敌是最寂寞 最是痛苦
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細佬's quoting of this song here once again , is to : ::::: 立此存照 表明心迹 : :::::
細佬's 心迹 : :::::
大义除害 剑道至高 ,

请多多指教細佬


[ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-2-24 14:21 編輯 ]
原帖由 Guest from 219.76.240.x 於 2008-2-23 10:39 發表
回復 200#  Jom 的帖子                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        說得幾有道理...

一句講晒, 其實你都知既內容, 就係, 基督教信仰唔係話你一信左果個人就立即唔會犯罪, 而係"算為"無罪

羅馬書 4:3 經上說甚麼呢?說:“亞伯拉罕信 上帝,這就算為他的義。”
羅馬書 4:4 做工的得工價,不算恩典,乃是該得的;
羅馬書 4:5 惟有不做工的,只信稱罪人為義的 上帝,他的信就算為義。

但"信"的內容包括行為 :
馬太福音 3:8 你們要結出果子來,與悔改的心相稱。
雅各書 2:26 身體沒有靈魂是死的,信心沒有行為也是死的。

你舉的例子, 我相信有基督徒在信的短期內完全改變, 甚至人當中最善最好的, 可能靠自己的意志行為也沒犯多少樣... 但得救和善行不是一個直接的因果關係時, 你所說的就不成立了

Paul_Bard


hi greeting ThANKing

i'd like2suggest u////you to promote the vegetarian-ism in Christiannity in order to redeem ,
or ,
@least , for a better institions image

cheers ThANKye

原帖由 dye 於 2008-2-21 16:34 發表

It is a genocide

Joshua 10
40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, theNegev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with alltheir kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all whobreathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.

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Did you forget they one of the tribe around there is ENSLAVED?  Remember one of the prostitute who betray her tribe is spared?

Or perhaps some of them manage to escape the genocide?  I mean, if aChinese survive the Nanking Massacre, it is not a genocide anymore?
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Oh, do you need to murder the kids, and the elderly?

Good old Joshua murdered these fellow even AFTER their army is subdued.
原帖由 dye 發表

Situation in city God wanted to conquer [[[[[[[[[ : : ]]]]]]]]]

Joshua 6
20 When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the soundofthe trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed;soevery man charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 Theydevotedthe city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing init—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

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